And I agree. I’ve said again and again, BHVR needs a much better report system to get rid of these trolls.
But for now, (assuming they can’t or they’re working on it) removing the cosmetics is the right call. No, there’s no issue with the faces themselves, they’re just taking away something from racists to be racist with. Especially when that very thing is similar to black face.
Wanna know what would solve the issue? Perma banning those people.
The people that abused the skin will probably just switch to another killer/skin once the changes go live. So why not ban them instead of removing the skins for everyone?
I am sorry I respectfully disagree that removing it does anything to reduce the arsenal of racists. Additionally, as it has been said before, the whole lore behind Leatherface is that he wears the skin/faces of his victims.
Clearly we will have to agree to disagree. Unfortunately BHVR has already made the change, I just think we keep making changes in the wrong places and with the wrong things in an effort to target a select few people.
It’s okay to feel that way. I do feel bad for people who earned these cosmetics, didn’t use them maliciously, and are being given just shards instead of something more.
I’m sorry about the racists ruining this. But my morals are against everything those trolls stand for. Thank you for understanding, and yeah, let’s agree to disagree.
Is there actual evidence about racism? Because LF is a player easy to camp with and those who've been asking to remove the mask was a "Oh, I was Claudette/Adam/ David" and a LF tunneled/camped me... and that's not really evidence because almost every LF camps and tunnel, those players in those threads never had any evidence that has proven their point.
That face when people will still feel targeted after the removal because they didn't realize that most Leatherface are just degenerates in general. Like, tunneling is our bread, camping is our butter. You cannot change who we are inside.
The fact that anyone is defending this lunacy is depressing.
Oops, people can play as black characters and then say racist things afterwards, better remove all black characters from the game too. That is the exact same logic. I've never even seen a Bubba using the unlockable cosmetics in my hundreds of hours of gameplay, let alone behaving like a cartoonish villain and being wacist. The probability that this has actually happened more than twice in the entire game's lifespan is next to none.
Do people forget how often Leatherface players camp and tunnel? What's more likely;
A) Claudettefaces were targeting black survivors to be big meanie bigots.
B) Claudettefaces were targeting the first survivor they saw and did what Leatherface usually does, and then the person who was playing survivor assumed intent based on the killer using that cosmetic with zero actual evidence.
This decision by BHVR is nothing more than rancid virtue signalling at the expense, once again, of their playerbase.
The "evidence" is them saying "this has happened to this and that content creator" usually not mentioning any names. There was even someone who admitted that they just assume the bubba with the mask is doing to be racist because they got facecamped/hit on hook and whatever else.
I have yet to see a video where an actual person gets targeted by a bubba with that mask and be told in end game chat that it was because of the color of their skin.
I honestly thought the masks were unique and encouraging players to unlock these masks through. Though I can understand why people think it's racist also Leatherface is getting his own game.
Think of it this way, should all the black characters be removed because an Elodie was being racist, or a Tapp? This does not solve anything. These masks are a part of leather faces lore, he literally takes your ######### face and wears it. Now because of a few bad apples, they’re removing the poc masks and leaving the whitest mask he has. So to fight the racists they literally give them what they want which is the EXCLUSION of poc. In turn, the removal of the masks seems pretty damn racist.
Yet it removes a fun little nod to that lore. Add on the fact they’re removing the faces that came from poc characters and leaving him with the second whitest mask you can get on him. If you don’t see the problem, then YOU have a problem.
Tani, MiladyConfetti, and SistaKaren (who recently made a video on this) are popular streamers who experienced this kind of hate.
While I don’t stream, I’ve experienced this a few times myself. While it’s not common enough for me to make it my issue, my experiences are not the same as someone else’s.
i hate that this is happening but this just the community reaping what its sewing. I will say however, throwing a stink about them was the wrong move because its clear the people who did just wanted attention.
i would ask the same question to the people that feel "harassed" with a killer in a game that try to "virtually" harass you. Its like how low have we reached? And how frail people have become?
In any case a proper report system its the righ choice. But hey that extra work for Behaviour.. so they just remove the maks that almost no body use.
If bubba were black, would it matter if he wore white faces? Just a question. I don’t give a ######### about any of this. I knew it was going to be problematic from the first time I saw it.
Just remove Claudette then. She camouflages with darkness itself. Which in itself is “racist”. 🤣
I’ve seen racist Deathslingers that tunnel the minority characters. Nodding and following Kates or Harrington. Letting them pip/escape. The slinger will use the Dusty Noose too. 🤷🏽♂️
People always find ways to offend. The thing is I would never be offended because of a mask cosmetic in a video game. It isn’t even Blackface. The whole world is being censored. 😭
and, like, it is blackface, literally is, because his skin tone under the mask is genuinely darker than normal. people have gone into the files and seen.
the whole world is being censored
it's a ######### cosmetic in a video game, get over yourself.
Yes. While I have to research if erm- Whiteface is a thing: if bubba was black, wore white faces, and players started targeting only white people, it would still be wrong.
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I think removing the masks is also bad because its a unqiue feature related to Leatherfaces background. Alternatively they could do the following:
1. Add a Stream Sniper Mode - when enabled, the player's name is disguised to prevent harassment on stream chat and social media
2. Add a Cosmetic Filter - when enabled, all killers and survivors in-game will be displayed in their default outfits
And I agree. I’ve said again and again, BHVR needs a much better report system to get rid of these trolls.
But for now, (assuming they can’t or they’re working on it) removing the cosmetics is the right call. No, there’s no issue with the faces themselves, they’re just taking away something from racists to be racist with. Especially when that very thing is similar to black face.
But removing those skins won't solve the issue.
Wanna know what would solve the issue? Perma banning those people.
The people that abused the skin will probably just switch to another killer/skin once the changes go live. So why not ban them instead of removing the skins for everyone?
I am sorry I respectfully disagree that removing it does anything to reduce the arsenal of racists. Additionally, as it has been said before, the whole lore behind Leatherface is that he wears the skin/faces of his victims.
Clearly we will have to agree to disagree. Unfortunately BHVR has already made the change, I just think we keep making changes in the wrong places and with the wrong things in an effort to target a select few people.
It’s okay to feel that way. I do feel bad for people who earned these cosmetics, didn’t use them maliciously, and are being given just shards instead of something more.
I’m sorry about the racists ruining this. But my morals are against everything those trolls stand for. Thank you for understanding, and yeah, let’s agree to disagree.
Is there actual evidence about racism? Because LF is a player easy to camp with and those who've been asking to remove the mask was a "Oh, I was Claudette/Adam/ David" and a LF tunneled/camped me... and that's not really evidence because almost every LF camps and tunnel, those players in those threads never had any evidence that has proven their point.
That face when people will still feel targeted after the removal because they didn't realize that most Leatherface are just degenerates in general. Like, tunneling is our bread, camping is our butter. You cannot change who we are inside.
The fact that anyone is defending this lunacy is depressing.
Oops, people can play as black characters and then say racist things afterwards, better remove all black characters from the game too. That is the exact same logic. I've never even seen a Bubba using the unlockable cosmetics in my hundreds of hours of gameplay, let alone behaving like a cartoonish villain and being wacist. The probability that this has actually happened more than twice in the entire game's lifespan is next to none.
Do people forget how often Leatherface players camp and tunnel? What's more likely;
A) Claudettefaces were targeting black survivors to be big meanie bigots.
B) Claudettefaces were targeting the first survivor they saw and did what Leatherface usually does, and then the person who was playing survivor assumed intent based on the killer using that cosmetic with zero actual evidence.
This decision by BHVR is nothing more than rancid virtue signalling at the expense, once again, of their playerbase.
The "evidence" is them saying "this has happened to this and that content creator" usually not mentioning any names. There was even someone who admitted that they just assume the bubba with the mask is doing to be racist because they got facecamped/hit on hook and whatever else.
I have yet to see a video where an actual person gets targeted by a bubba with that mask and be told in end game chat that it was because of the color of their skin.
Yeah, they’re giving the racists what they want, the removal of the masks which involve poc.
They're some dumbass masks that are hard to get and change no gameplay
Ah, so what you're saying is that both sides are on the same page with regards to the removal of the masks. :P
I honestly thought the masks were unique and encouraging players to unlock these masks through. Though I can understand why people think it's racist also Leatherface is getting his own game.
Think of it this way, should all the black characters be removed because an Elodie was being racist, or a Tapp? This does not solve anything. These masks are a part of leather faces lore, he literally takes your ######### face and wears it. Now because of a few bad apples, they’re removing the poc masks and leaving the whitest mask he has. So to fight the racists they literally give them what they want which is the EXCLUSION of poc. In turn, the removal of the masks seems pretty damn racist.
Uh, I believe you'll find that those masks are extremely non-canon to Leatherface's lore.
Are you serious? THATS the thing you focused on? God this community really has gone down the ######### toilet if people can’t use critical thinking.
good god why do people care so much, it's a ######### cosmetic in a video game get over it
It's not wrong, though. The cosmetics in question are not a part of his lore at all.
If you’re so fixated on that one tiny detail I spoke of, I’ll educate you.
HE CUTS YOUR FACE OFF AND WEARS IT!!!
So? The removal of those cosmetics does not contradict that fact.
Yet it removes a fun little nod to that lore. Add on the fact they’re removing the faces that came from poc characters and leaving him with the second whitest mask you can get on him. If you don’t see the problem, then YOU have a problem.
Tani, MiladyConfetti, and SistaKaren (who recently made a video on this) are popular streamers who experienced this kind of hate.
While I don’t stream, I’ve experienced this a few times myself. While it’s not common enough for me to make it my issue, my experiences are not the same as someone else’s.
i hate that this is happening but this just the community reaping what its sewing. I will say however, throwing a stink about them was the wrong move because its clear the people who did just wanted attention.
They are removing equal numbers of white and nonwhite faces, are they not?
i would ask the same question to the people that feel "harassed" with a killer in a game that try to "virtually" harass you. Its like how low have we reached? And how frail people have become?
In any case a proper report system its the righ choice. But hey that extra work for Behaviour.. so they just remove the maks that almost no body use.
i don't understand why they are going to take off all the masks instead of just the problematic one, they could make more bubba masks too
If bubba were black, would it matter if he wore white faces? Just a question. I don’t give a ######### about any of this. I knew it was going to be problematic from the first time I saw it.
Just remove Claudette then. She camouflages with darkness itself. Which in itself is “racist”. 🤣
I’ve seen racist Deathslingers that tunnel the minority characters. Nodding and following Kates or Harrington. Letting them pip/escape. The slinger will use the Dusty Noose too. 🤷🏽♂️
People always find ways to offend. The thing is I would never be offended because of a mask cosmetic in a video game. It isn’t even Blackface. The whole world is being censored. 😭
what... the #########?
kate + steve aren't minorities, either?
and, like, it is blackface, literally is, because his skin tone under the mask is genuinely darker than normal. people have gone into the files and seen.
the whole world is being censored
it's a ######### cosmetic in a video game, get over yourself.
Yes. While I have to research if erm- Whiteface is a thing: if bubba was black, wore white faces, and players started targeting only white people, it would still be wrong.