Yes same thing in genaral the buff is totally fine
Bc they all have to leave the hook even doc if its not the game and midwich.
I wonder why survs still have the free win perk called dead hard i never cared even slightest about the old ds and even mom bc dead hard does all that thinks thousand times better if the surv isnt brain afk
The combo iron will dead hard is literally the survivor part of the old spirit play like trash and win every round if you not playing solo Q
I mean i see me already only playing hardcore slugging nurse if that perk will get used that often but atm i think it will be just a two week thing like power struggle who trutalent cyred for no reason about it
It's not a buff for survivors, it's an aggravation.
If they do that they will lose so many more killers bc survs still have sprint burst and dead hard and everyone know that perks by far stronger than any killer perk in game
And on the oppsite side i dont get killers who cry about bt and ds like serusly if they run dead hard iron will spine chill COH you will not even get value out of the insta tunnling and caming if you lost three gens for one chase
Pretty easy to imagine, I don’t enjoy playing survivor so I only play as killer.
Hypothetically if it turns out the PTB version of Dead Man’s Switch is overpowered they can simply reduce its duration a bit to fine tune it.
As someone that posted about DMS' changes potentially making the perk unfair, unfun or overpowered I just thought I should note I'm pretty much exclusively a killer main anyway. I also hate the wiggle change. Only reason I didn't post about that is it's not as problematic but yeah it's an awful change all the same.
I am a killer main. I am not crying but do believe this combo could be a problem. It motivates a camping heavy playstyle which I think is unhealthy for the game in the long-term.
Please stop categorizing people as "survivor mains cry", "killer mains cry" blah blah blah. Everyone is an individual, maybe we should address people as individuals
I've seen a few, check feedback as most of them are getting moved there.
If it's nothing then there's no issue with reverting it. A second matters. I have had countless times where an extra second would get me free. It is also abusable due to not actually moving at all like other skill checks, so anyone who doesn't mind cheating a bit (seriously not an issue in this game, right?) can just use a macro to hit every great and just have a permanent lesser wiggle. It also is designed to not be a risk. If you try to hit a great on repair or healing, the great zone is next to the edge so you risk missing the whole thing by going for the great. On this, it's in the middle so there is no risk and no reason to NOT go for it. It is unnecessary, but survivors oddly don't think it needs to be reverted. No, what needs to be dealt with is the only real killer buff in the entire patch lol
If survivors want people to stop calling the devs survivor sided, then they need to stop being survivor sided, because they objectively are. People are complaining about COH and DH, experiments are showing killers need to play scummy to get kills anymore, most killers are entirely unviable etc etc. And to prove to use they are totally unbiased, they give us a patch with a straight up survivor buff (everyone has wiggle so it's a buff to the entire role), nerfs to one of the weakest killers in the game, several other unneeded killer nerfs, and now the only good buff is probably going to be removed due to whining. During a time when killers are quitting and survivor queues are double digits now. If they aren't survivor sided then they are absurdly tone deaf. If killers have tons of issues that need addressing and instead you BUFF SURVIVORS and NERF CLOWN in the patch, expect people to call your devs survivor sided.
You won't get it in the average match. But it will be abused by "bully squads". I am sure you have gone against the odd breakout sabo squad before and know how annoying it can be.
It'll be much better on The Doctor then it'll ever be on the Artist
Yes thats why i only play the S tier killer to counter that with hardcore slugging
that's a whole lot of being upset over 1 second, friend.
not to mention the 1 second might be an unintended oversight that won't even make it into the live build.
As a survivor main I honestly couldn’t care less. I’ve got CoH. You guys can proxy camp with Artist to your hearts content and while it will be annoying, it’s perfectly fair game imho. Not the best way to go about balancing a game but this is dbd after all. I’ll take balance seriously when the devs do. Until then all gloves are off. It’s not a serious game anyway, unfortunately.
Killer mains complaining about dead hard and new wiggle. this forum is a dumpster fire
There's plenty on the survivor side that is worthy of complaints, and both way more powerful AND annoying that the combo you mention, but if killers complain it's "git gud".
So, I'll say it, survivor mains, shut up and "git gud"
That’s whataboutism. I know there’s many busted things survivors have but this topic was specifically about Artist + DMS.
Don't parrot ScottJund. That word was born out of a desire to suppress counterarguments, and is invalid.
Are you genuinely arguing in good faith that being able to shoot crows at gens to then block them for the length of Dead Man's Switch equates to fun and engaging gameplay for survivors though?
For the millionth time in every one of these threads: strength and fun both need to be considered
Are you arguing that every Killer perk needs to be fun for Survivors first and foremost?
You know that's not what I was trying to say there, but I'll bite anyway.
Should Dead Man's Switch be a better perk? Yes. Is this proposed iteration abusable by certain killers? Yes. Meaning it shouldn't go live.
The overall health of the game needs to be considered with every change. If a change potentially leads to a killer blocking 3 gens while proxy camping a player on hook for the duration of a hook state, that change should be reconsidered.
I was thrilled when they made hatch/key changes and nerfed instaheals. I was also thrilled when they nerfed moris. The game should be fun and balanced.
Didn't the patch drop already?
You don't need to study rocket science to know that this combo is overpowered as hell in the hands of a reasonably good artist player in your usual public matches. Anyone with a descent amount of hours, who actually knows that you can win this game with either side and has a non-biased view on the current balance state should see this. The way you worded this just screams "killer main who wins 4 out of 5 matches but then complains about that 1 game where you actually don't 4k with Blight/ Nurse/ Artist"
Apologies. I had come out of a rather rotten RL discussion and read more intent into your post than you meant.
It's too easy to see it as 'Survivor's fun first' when so many Survivors try to demand nerfs because '<x> is unfun'. Camping is unfun. Slugging. Tunneling. NoED. Remember Me. All should be nerfed because 'unfun'.
Yes; fun needs to be considered, but it also needs to be considered that losing is always less fun than winning. And also; fun is subjective.
Some Survivors like hiding. Some love the chase.
Some Killers like hunting for Survivors. Some love trying to mindgame a chase.
Some Survivors/Killers only like winning.
To say a power needs a nerf BECAUSE it's not fun is...a vague reason? I'm probably not wording that right.
Sure; a Killer power that insta-kills all Survivors is unfun and unhealthy for the game. To use hyperbole. Same with a Survivor perk that just insta-completes 5 gens.
But...I feel 'fun' is too subjective to balance on. Instead I feel...If the game were balanced, the fun would come naturally? Does that make sense?
Don't balance FOR fun, on either side, because it will all be fun if it's balanced.
It's no different to a deadhard... absolutely undeserved impact with barely any skill required.
Ok but I'm pretty sure we can agree that knowing where all Survivors exact location, their address, phone number and social security number just for picking up one of them was pretty busted
Dead Mans Switch is a strong perk especially paired with Pain Resonance, but I don't see it getting a huge nerf if any.
Artist/BBQ/DMS combo is abusable because it allows the artist to face-camp 1 survivor and deny all 3 gens to the other 3 survivors.