I think you'll find it's not that controversial of an opinion these days that reworked ruin is stronger than old ruin
BBQ and Ruin are used more... Want them nerfed too?
Dead hard is easily the best perk in the game and deserves some attention from the devs. That said when have they ever been quick to changing something as meta defining as this? I’m sure it will happen one day, but for now it’s just another problem to live with.
the whole "this thing is popular so we're nerfing it" thing is so goddamn stupid, it's almost like there's a reason so many people use specific perks
They will nerf every single killer perk sooner or later.
they've stated multiple times (as have 100's of forum members) that this is only ONE of the reasons it changed, why are killers so ignorant of that fact?
This. The addon changes on the PTB show that usage is not a good metric for balancing.
As @SeanzuDuck duck said - there were other factors. It was basically ignored by veteran survivors, destroyed new players, required no interaction, etc
...Is that why Ruin was reworked? I was under the impression that Ruin was reworked because it was a nasty design that completely screwed over newer players to an unfair degree.
Not to say DH doesn't need looking at, but I see a lot of people claiming that Ruin was reworked solely because it was used a lot, and little evidence of it.
(Also it wasn't nerfed, it was completely reworked.)
It was primarily changed because it was automatic win for killer against newer players who couldn’t hit great skill checks
Plz dont use that for fact those were pre mmr and pre boon im sure thr most use perk have change to corrupt and deadlock for killer
My point was that it shouldn't be used to justify changes. Sorry if that was unclear! It's pretty late here...
It's almost like that wasn't the reason it got changed and ignores the fact it was actually buffed to be more effective against experienced survivors without destroying newer players. I guess by this logic we should buff the perk /s
Classic forum moment.
That was ONE of the reasons.
Thanks! I'm always worried that what I'm trying to convey can be misinterpreted... Always good to get positive feedback <3
Ruin wasn't interactive.
Dead Hard is.
Should DH be changed so it doesn't feel so in-your-face about taking away something from you? Probably. But people are more about nerfing the perk rather than changing its presentation.
new ruin better than old ruin, it was not a nerf
What about it?
If I could force a dead hard nerf by outright deleting all three of those perks I'd do it.
I only use bbq for bp and generally forget it has aura reading. The other two I never use because they're hexes.
So yeah. Do it up. I am on board. Delete those three and make it so dead hard requires tokens gained by repairing the equivalent of a gen. Takes 2 tokens. Still need to be injured. Causes exhaustion for 120 seconds and has a individual cooldown of 300/250/200 seconds.
Turntable has turned table. "You are move."
Its just its one of the many excuse the dev said when they nerf ruin
I'd 100% refuse to give up BBQ! Even without the BP the aura reading is so handy! I agree with the hexes though!
As for the survivor perks, the only one I use out of the 3 is BT and if I had to give up the other 2 to keep that one I'd be 100% fine with that
Sure pal.. sure..
because the other reasons are not valid and make no sense
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Ruin sure, but anyone who wants to nerf BBQ will have to personally fight me
"I don't understand the other reasons, so I'm going to ignore them and pretend they aren't even there and complain about one thing and base all my nerf arguments on it"
Also, this is almost a year out of date and DH usage has definitely gone up since validation went live
Because, like it or not, survivors and killers are not balanced in the same way, or along the same standards. You'll...learn to live with it.
Yes. Dead Hard needs a nerf. The devs know it, the players know it. But if it was going to be nerfed, it would have been nerfed already.
Uh...take a look at the years during which that data was gathered. Those stats are meaningless aside from 'hey, that's interesting'.
And post buff Dead Hard is much stronger than old Dead Hard :).
Following that logic, SC and BT would have to be nerfed first.
If we looking at usage: BBQ tops them all, way more than 80%, but hasn't been nerfed.