That is unfair. Especially the case with Ghostface. But it is all caused by an oversight in the game itself.
Ghostface gets revealed if he is in the middle of the survivors' screen. Using Stretched makes it easier to get him in the middle, since you effectively have "a larger middle".
But I will stand by my opinion, and that is that using Stretched is not cheating... It is exploiting.
At the end it isn't really important what you call it. It isn't fun for the other side either way. I thought I would just provide my definition, cuz I see the 2 as totally different things.
Imagine if someone made a mod so killers could see in third person, or even just be able to dynamically adjust their FoV. It would become priority number 1 and extremely bannable, instead of being slowly addressed with non-comittal answers or measures over a few years.
If I exploit a bug to becomes immune to being hooked; I am still CHEATING even though I'm using an exploit. Jesus. You're pedantry would work if you had even half a clue what you're talking about.
Exploit = Cheating.
Exploits are cheating.
Using exploits to gain an unintended advantage is cheating.
And you are misusing my wording for your own benefit...
I meant that Stretched is a hardware thing. Everyone already has the tools to change their aspect ratio, one way or another. May that be software, or by buying another monitor with another Aspect Ratio, like 4:3 or even 1:1.
The example you provided is my definition of cheating, using 3rd party software to get an advantage others can't get/that is not intended, like insta repairing gens, going really fast, not being able to die, or knowing other people's location at all times.
Exploiting, by my definition, is using the tools provided (in this case, the game itself), may it be intentional or not, to get an advantage.
And yes, changing your aspect ratio can be done with software, but it changes NOTHING inside the game itself, besides the aspect ratio.
Yes, this should be looked into and changed!
No this is not cheating! At least by my definition...
The devs actually said a while back they consider using stretched res to see over objects to be cheating. And per Dowsey they warned the Fog Whisperers not to do it.
Just because they haven't put in a fix to stop it doesn't mean they don't think it's cheating.
Exploiting, by my definition, is using the tools provided (in this case, the game itself), may it be intentional or not, to get an advantage.
And if it's an oversight, bug, or glitch giving you an UNINTENDED advantage that you are exploiting; It. 👏 Is. 👏 Cheating. 👏
Shove your pedantry. Cheating is not just cheat programs. Using unintended bugs, glitches, and yes; EXPLOITS, is also cheating. Dodge it all your want; If you do it, you are a filthy cheater. End of story. No 'But actually' BS.
It. 👏 Is. 👏 Cheating. 👏
Do I need to say it louder for the cheaters in the back? I don't give a crap what you call it; It. 👏 Is. 👏 Cheating! 👏
As I have only recently got a PS4 myself, and don't have DBD for it, I don't know much about it.
As I said, buying a monitor or TV with a different aspect ratio than 16:9 is still possible, even for console. But I don't know how consoles handle such situations. Do they force the aspect ratio to 16:9, even in-game? Maybe the TV itself has settings for it?
I don't know, so I am not gonna go into that. But as far as I know, it is still a possibility...
Pretty sure that consoles generally used to output a resolution and rescale for the display screen (or just output one resolution full stop and leave the screen to deal with it), that might have gotten better, but they've rarely been graceful at handling displays with incorrect aspect ratios even when a mix of SD and HD screens were commonplace.
As for your definition of cheating: if, to get an advantage, you need to look up what setting to change outside the game itself, edit a configuration file, and change things to a completely nonstandard aspect ratio that doesn't match your hardware, purely for the in-game advantage this will give you... then it's an unfair advantage. It's not intended, your average random player won't know it exists or be able to tell what you're doing. It's also unfair because it's asymmetric in which side it's more advantageous for because of the camera styles.
Why is this even a thread? It is literally not up for debate. None of your opinions are relevant on this matter.
Not_Queen from BHVR has explicitly stated it is cheating, AND has told Fog Whisperers to not do it or risk a ban, but that they are not taking action for it currently because first, no way to catch it (outside of someone doing it on a stream or whatnot), and second, there are a lot bigger priorities.
The increased vertical Field-of-Vision gained through the use of narrower-than-native aspect ratios is objectively an advantage, and it is unintended; intentionally abusing it is cheating. But it doesn't matter whether we consider it to be fair or cheating or whatever, as long as BHVR does not officially address it as cheating and bans for it, people will use it, and they won't care whether you like it or not. Voice communications are cheating too, by the same technical definition, but BHVR outright said they won't/can't ban for it, so it's just accepted as part of the game.
It's funny to see it be made out to be a "sided" issue though. Players of both roles objectively benefit from it, so framing it as yet another issue killers suffer from is yet another tell-tale sign of silly biases.
It should be trivial to remedy this, and various games already have done so. You can maintain FoV through all aspect ratios, by stretching the image to fit or rendering in black bars. I have no clue why BHVR is not doing this, but maybe their calculation is simply the following: nobody is stopping to play just because increased vFoV exists, but non-0 people might stop playing if it doesn't exist anymore. Why spend effort on something that at best won't change player numbers while at worst costs you players?
Then again, they also haven't made true fullscreen mode, distinct resolutions and advanced graphic settings part of the in-game menu yet, which are also easily achievable and something that only benefits the game. Plus ultrawide/multi-screen users suffer from the current VERT+/- function, so maybe the game would stand to gain players from changing it after all. Those things would suggest BHVR is simply lazy or not comfortable changing technical stuff, for some reason...
And anyone who says it looks better is just gaslighting those blessed with the gift of sight - clearly it looks awful and the more stretched the resolution, the worse it looks.
It gives you a FOV advantage your opponents do not have unless they are running stretched too. So of course it is cheating, maybe low level cheating but still cheating
I read this and I take it to say: Did you ever play Ghostface against a streched-res user?
It feels horrible. Yes, your mechanic is bugged and both sides suffer. But streched-res makes you able to reveal Ghostface from nearly anywhere. Not to mention as a M1 Killer he suffers very much from the ability that a strech-res user can look over walls, blocking every mind-game there is.
Strech-res is cheating. Sadly I can not report it as I can only notice it as Ghostface and even then it could just be his wonky reveal mechanic.
Kind of pointless to discuss because this is almost a political discussion at this point. The people with the strongest opinions haven't actually used it, and the people like myself who have used it and have played competitively on native against 900x1080 users get ignored or get told we're wrong.
It's an advantage but not nearly to the degree that people think. Do you think people with perfect vision over tiles in tournaments would also pre-drop every pallet? No. That would be stupid. Do you think people would use ESP on the survivor side in tournaments and get caught if they could just switch to 900x1080 res and see over everything? No. That would be stupid.
Now, before people weaponize their poor reading comprehension, I have already stated that it's an advantage vs native. It increases your FOV. Ghostface is uniquely affected by it. It doesn't put your FOV on the moon whereas native puts your FOV on the ground. It doesn't delete Nurse fatigue (this is a genuinely dumb one).
Most importantly, it's not the reason people are losing regular matches. Stop looking for excuses and make an effort to improve. You'll thank yourself.
It's really such a BHVR thing to say "It's an exploit but we won't ban for it" That's the kind of inaction I really expect from them with regards to any exploit or hacker.
I don't think anyone can debate that it's called an exploit, that it gives an unfair advantage and isn't intended, and then go on to try to justify it when it's the definition of an exploit and should be bannable. Just scummy players trying to get an advantage in a game like DBD attempting to pretend it's not a big deal. Shocking.
I have already stated that it's an advantage vs native
Which means it's cheating. People are exploiting an oversight to gain an advantage they are not meant to have. Thus; cheating. I don't get why people can't understand this basic concept. A 5 year old can understand what cheating is, so I don't uderstand all the morons on here using verbal acrobatics the Olympics would give them a gold medal for.
Ok, that's not true; I know exactly why idiots are pretending cheating is not cheating; they want to act like they're as good as their cheating boosts them. They don't want to admit they suck, and that they're being carried by cheating. Hence the verbal acrobatics.
But people can deflect all they want; Using stretched res to see things you're not supposed to see is cheating. Anyone saying otherwise is a cheater who uses it. End of story. Opposing viewpoints need not apply, because they are factually wrong.
They could take action if they wanted. Tons of people stream with stretched res, thus literally proving they are cheating. Ban them. If it's cheating (which it is) and not allowed, then why not ban the people you can prove are using it? IE Comp players who stream. If you streamed with a cheat program, they'd ban you. It wouldn't stop it but it would remove some and also cause people to be afraid to do it since now actual people have been banned. Behavior just likes to take the "We tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!!!" path
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That is unfair. Especially the case with Ghostface. But it is all caused by an oversight in the game itself.
Ghostface gets revealed if he is in the middle of the survivors' screen. Using Stretched makes it easier to get him in the middle, since you effectively have "a larger middle".
But I will stand by my opinion, and that is that using Stretched is not cheating... It is exploiting.
At the end it isn't really important what you call it. It isn't fun for the other side either way. I thought I would just provide my definition, cuz I see the 2 as totally different things.
Imagine if someone made a mod so killers could see in third person, or even just be able to dynamically adjust their FoV. It would become priority number 1 and extremely bannable, instead of being slowly addressed with non-comittal answers or measures over a few years.
Exploits. 👏 Are. 👏 Cheating! 👏
If I exploit a bug to becomes immune to being hooked; I am still CHEATING even though I'm using an exploit. Jesus. You're pedantry would work if you had even half a clue what you're talking about.
Exploit = Cheating.
Exploits are cheating.
Using exploits to gain an unintended advantage is cheating.
Has it sunk in yet?
And you are misusing my wording for your own benefit...
I meant that Stretched is a hardware thing. Everyone already has the tools to change their aspect ratio, one way or another. May that be software, or by buying another monitor with another Aspect Ratio, like 4:3 or even 1:1.
The example you provided is my definition of cheating, using 3rd party software to get an advantage others can't get/that is not intended, like insta repairing gens, going really fast, not being able to die, or knowing other people's location at all times.
Exploiting, by my definition, is using the tools provided (in this case, the game itself), may it be intentional or not, to get an advantage.
And yes, changing your aspect ratio can be done with software, but it changes NOTHING inside the game itself, besides the aspect ratio.
Yes, this should be looked into and changed!
No this is not cheating! At least by my definition...
The devs actually said a while back they consider using stretched res to see over objects to be cheating. And per Dowsey they warned the Fog Whisperers not to do it.
Just because they haven't put in a fix to stop it doesn't mean they don't think it's cheating.
Ah yes, because console players don't exist
Exploiting, by my definition, is using the tools provided (in this case, the game itself), may it be intentional or not, to get an advantage.
And if it's an oversight, bug, or glitch giving you an UNINTENDED advantage that you are exploiting; It. 👏 Is. 👏 Cheating. 👏
Shove your pedantry. Cheating is not just cheat programs. Using unintended bugs, glitches, and yes; EXPLOITS, is also cheating. Dodge it all your want; If you do it, you are a filthy cheater. End of story. No 'But actually' BS.
It. 👏 Is. 👏 Cheating. 👏
Do I need to say it louder for the cheaters in the back? I don't give a crap what you call it; It. 👏 Is. 👏 Cheating! 👏
IT. 👏 IS. 👏 CHEATING. 👏
As I have only recently got a PS4 myself, and don't have DBD for it, I don't know much about it.
As I said, buying a monitor or TV with a different aspect ratio than 16:9 is still possible, even for console. But I don't know how consoles handle such situations. Do they force the aspect ratio to 16:9, even in-game? Maybe the TV itself has settings for it?
I don't know, so I am not gonna go into that. But as far as I know, it is still a possibility...
Don't ban stretched res. That way we can see the folk with small PP syndrome.
Shame for the majority of the playerbase on Console
Stretched resolution gives killers more of an advantage than survivors.
This has gotta be bait.
Who gives a crap? Killer or Survivor; it's cheating.
I don’t know about a comparison but it is Shadowborn for free on killers. Advantaging Hillbilly, Oni, Nurse, Huntress etc
Pretty sure that consoles generally used to output a resolution and rescale for the display screen (or just output one resolution full stop and leave the screen to deal with it), that might have gotten better, but they've rarely been graceful at handling displays with incorrect aspect ratios even when a mix of SD and HD screens were commonplace.
As for your definition of cheating: if, to get an advantage, you need to look up what setting to change outside the game itself, edit a configuration file, and change things to a completely nonstandard aspect ratio that doesn't match your hardware, purely for the in-game advantage this will give you... then it's an unfair advantage. It's not intended, your average random player won't know it exists or be able to tell what you're doing. It's also unfair because it's asymmetric in which side it's more advantageous for because of the camera styles.
Devs: stretched res is cheating. Report people if you have evidence
You: It's not cheating !!!
Yea ok guy.
Why is this even a thread? It is literally not up for debate. None of your opinions are relevant on this matter.
Not_Queen from BHVR has explicitly stated it is cheating, AND has told Fog Whisperers to not do it or risk a ban, but that they are not taking action for it currently because first, no way to catch it (outside of someone doing it on a stream or whatnot), and second, there are a lot bigger priorities.
FYI It wasn't Mandy, it was Not_Queen and she mentioned stretched res being cheating on Tru3ta1ent's stream, not here.
Also you're forgetting the thing about the devs telling Fog Whisperers not to do it.
The increased vertical Field-of-Vision gained through the use of narrower-than-native aspect ratios is objectively an advantage, and it is unintended; intentionally abusing it is cheating. But it doesn't matter whether we consider it to be fair or cheating or whatever, as long as BHVR does not officially address it as cheating and bans for it, people will use it, and they won't care whether you like it or not. Voice communications are cheating too, by the same technical definition, but BHVR outright said they won't/can't ban for it, so it's just accepted as part of the game.
It's funny to see it be made out to be a "sided" issue though. Players of both roles objectively benefit from it, so framing it as yet another issue killers suffer from is yet another tell-tale sign of silly biases.
It should be trivial to remedy this, and various games already have done so. You can maintain FoV through all aspect ratios, by stretching the image to fit or rendering in black bars. I have no clue why BHVR is not doing this, but maybe their calculation is simply the following: nobody is stopping to play just because increased vFoV exists, but non-0 people might stop playing if it doesn't exist anymore. Why spend effort on something that at best won't change player numbers while at worst costs you players?
Then again, they also haven't made true fullscreen mode, distinct resolutions and advanced graphic settings part of the in-game menu yet, which are also easily achievable and something that only benefits the game. Plus ultrawide/multi-screen users suffer from the current VERT+/- function, so maybe the game would stand to gain players from changing it after all. Those things would suggest BHVR is simply lazy or not comfortable changing technical stuff, for some reason...
No it isn't fair. But bhvr seems unlikely to fix it so idk what to recommend.
Exactly.
And anyone who says it looks better is just gaslighting those blessed with the gift of sight - clearly it looks awful and the more stretched the resolution, the worse it looks.
It gives you a FOV advantage your opponents do not have unless they are running stretched too. So of course it is cheating, maybe low level cheating but still cheating
I actually saw a video of someone using altered FoV. Not stretched res, but actual increased Field of View on both sides. It looked... interesting.
I read this and I take it to say: Did you ever play Ghostface against a streched-res user?
It feels horrible. Yes, your mechanic is bugged and both sides suffer. But streched-res makes you able to reveal Ghostface from nearly anywhere. Not to mention as a M1 Killer he suffers very much from the ability that a strech-res user can look over walls, blocking every mind-game there is.
Strech-res is cheating. Sadly I can not report it as I can only notice it as Ghostface and even then it could just be his wonky reveal mechanic.
Kind of pointless to discuss because this is almost a political discussion at this point. The people with the strongest opinions haven't actually used it, and the people like myself who have used it and have played competitively on native against 900x1080 users get ignored or get told we're wrong.
It's an advantage but not nearly to the degree that people think. Do you think people with perfect vision over tiles in tournaments would also pre-drop every pallet? No. That would be stupid. Do you think people would use ESP on the survivor side in tournaments and get caught if they could just switch to 900x1080 res and see over everything? No. That would be stupid.
Now, before people weaponize their poor reading comprehension, I have already stated that it's an advantage vs native. It increases your FOV. Ghostface is uniquely affected by it. It doesn't put your FOV on the moon whereas native puts your FOV on the ground. It doesn't delete Nurse fatigue (this is a genuinely dumb one).
Most importantly, it's not the reason people are losing regular matches. Stop looking for excuses and make an effort to improve. You'll thank yourself.
It's really such a BHVR thing to say "It's an exploit but we won't ban for it" That's the kind of inaction I really expect from them with regards to any exploit or hacker.
I don't think anyone can debate that it's called an exploit, that it gives an unfair advantage and isn't intended, and then go on to try to justify it when it's the definition of an exploit and should be bannable. Just scummy players trying to get an advantage in a game like DBD attempting to pretend it's not a big deal. Shocking.
I have already stated that it's an advantage vs native
Which means it's cheating. People are exploiting an oversight to gain an advantage they are not meant to have. Thus; cheating. I don't get why people can't understand this basic concept. A 5 year old can understand what cheating is, so I don't uderstand all the morons on here using verbal acrobatics the Olympics would give them a gold medal for.
Ok, that's not true; I know exactly why idiots are pretending cheating is not cheating; they want to act like they're as good as their cheating boosts them. They don't want to admit they suck, and that they're being carried by cheating. Hence the verbal acrobatics.
But people can deflect all they want; Using stretched res to see things you're not supposed to see is cheating. Anyone saying otherwise is a cheater who uses it. End of story. Opposing viewpoints need not apply, because they are factually wrong.
They could take action if they wanted. Tons of people stream with stretched res, thus literally proving they are cheating. Ban them. If it's cheating (which it is) and not allowed, then why not ban the people you can prove are using it? IE Comp players who stream. If you streamed with a cheat program, they'd ban you. It wouldn't stop it but it would remove some and also cause people to be afraid to do it since now actual people have been banned. Behavior just likes to take the "We tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!!!" path
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Because it looks better. 😉
Uh... yes it does, u can see the Mickey coming from 10 lightyears away when you wouldn't have even known that he was there
Well that is EASY bait to detect, but his post... the sad part is i can believe that there are some people who don't think it's a problem