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The Artist is the only killer with no counterplay

AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859

I looked at every killer in the game,and all of them have viable counterplay except The Artist.

Trapper - Disarm his traps,m1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Wraith - Stealth m1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Hillbilly - Can be looped and juked,obstacles and breaking line of sight are very strong againts him.

Nurse - Pallets dont do much but she can be juked,breaking line of sight helps a lot,even a well timed pallet drop can stun her.

Myers - Stealth m1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Hag - Hit and run killer that can be looped and juked.

Doctor - M1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Huntress - Ranged killer that can be looped and juked,tall obstacles and breaking line of sight are very strong againts her.

Bubba - Can be looped and juked,windows are very strong againts him.

Freddy - M1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Pig- Stealth m1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Clown - M1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Spirit - M1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Legion - Hit and run killer that can be looped and juked.

Plague - Ranged killer that can be looped and juked.

Ghostface - Stealth killer that can be looped and juked.

Demogorgon - M1 killer that can be looped and juked.

Oni - Can be looped and juked.

Deathslinger - Ranged killer that can be looped and juked.

Pyramid Head - Can be looped and juked.

Blight - Can be looped and juked,obstacles are very strong againts him.

Twins - Can be looped and juked.

Trickster - Can be looped and juked,talle obstacles and breaking line of sight is very strong againts him.

Nemesis - Can be looped and juked.

Pinhead - Can be looped and juked.

The Artist - Cant be looped or juked in a chase because of her zoning,holding W or avoid chase is the only thing that works but I dont think that's viable counterplay.

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  • AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859
    edited February 19

    How do you loop and juke her when she can just zone you out with crows,you cant juke the crows from close distance.

  • MikaelaWantsYourBoonMikaelaWantsYourBoon Member Posts: 3,273

    This is not counter actually. If you know how to zone-out survivor, you know where they will run too. So they will take hit, does not matter what they will do.

    But true, only option against her is Shift + W. And drop same strong pallets, waste her time as you can. I am not fan of this type killers, except Nemesis.

  • GeneralVGeneralV Member Posts: 7,796

    Artist is part of a bigger problem, which is the killers that cannot or are overly difficult to loop.

    You can play against her by holding W like a bot and pre-dropping pallets, it is just extremely boring to do so.

  • AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859

    Breaking line of sight does nothing,she can still hit you with the crows through walls.

  • chargernick85chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    Correct. Also no anti loop and playing duck duck goose for minutes at a time is boring for the killers. If they would reduce the power of maps anti loop would not be needed. This current state of game where 4 survivors are spread out, maps are horrible, spawn points still are free objectives so anti loop or high mobility are needed right now.

    Not saying you cant win with entire roster but the odds are stacked against them. Right now the only way to die as a solo survivor is teammates or throwing....not the killer. All i play is solo died once yesterday but killer had 2 hook. This is a very common occurrence these days. Your team dont even need to know how to run....just work gens when not in chase and GG EZ.

    Best killer in the game right now is matchmaking.

  • GeneralVGeneralV Member Posts: 7,796

    "Also no anti loop and playing duck duck goose for minutes at a time is boring for the killers"

    I don't think so. I LOVE regular looping.

    The current state of the game is atrocious, granted, but that can be solved without creating killers that force you to play like a bot. When I first started playing, the absolute majority of the killer cast could be looped in the regular manner.

    And I strongly believe it should have stayed that way.

  • IronKnight55IronKnight55 Member Posts: 2,567
    edited February 19

    Yep, she needs nerfs. I've said this since she released. I'm sure she'll get them, just gotta be patient

  • chargernick85chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    That we agree. Whats not mentioned enough is how survivors have adapted. Outside of new survivors majority understands killer powers, loops, playing optimal, etc which in my earlier daysvwas not as common. The objectives time between killer and survivor is so far apart that spawning on top of gens/hexes, boons, OP maps/tiles, exhaustion, etc are just overkill rn. Not sure if its because of all the content creators or not but not many survivors out there not know how to make the most of every situation.

  • TostapaneTostapane Member Posts: 793

    Honestly she's one of the easiest killer to loop imo... I still have to find an artist that gave me troubles (I lost to her only a single time and that was only cause I had trolls in my team)

  • dugmandugman Member Posts: 7,992
    edited February 19

    But if she can’t see you then she can’t know for sure she’s timing the release right. If you are behind a wall and juke she can easily mistime sending the crows and miss you.

    Of course if you currently have crows on you then that doesn’t work since she sees the aura.

  • ShinobuSKShinobuSK Member Posts: 4,390

    Are you one of those who actually believe she is stronger than Nurse?

    Also she has counterplay, but you are obviously not interested learning it

  • adam1233467adam1233467 Member Posts: 483

    Hold W, hope I helped you

  • GentlemanFridgeGentlemanFridge Member Posts: 2,583

    Clearly you haven't faced her on Rotten Fields.

  • AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859

    Lol,I just said she has no counterplay,not that she's stronger than nurse

  • unluckycombounluckycombo Member Posts: 582

    what is even happening here...


    I haven't played enough Artist to give you decent counterplay tips (I've barely played since her release and she died within like a week of release) but man, even your 'counters' to other Killers are very... questionable? Like, it's very simplistic.

    For example, Spirit isn't just an M1 Killer that can be 'Looped and Juked'. Her counterplay purely comes from putting yourself in loops where it's hard for her to be able to do those phase jukes on her.

    You can't counter a good Nurse. You can attempt to break LoS, and you can attempt to run into a corner- but you will always go down vs a good Nurse. She's about buying time. The only other thing you could say is a counter is the flashlight burn stuff.

    Hag's counterplay is being aggressive and good teamwork/communication- consistently disrupt her web and don't allow her to set up. Twin's counterplay is to play in pairs, stay healed, and don't let Charolette get free hits.

    That's not even mentioning things like Flashlights vs Nurse, Artist, Hag and Wraith. Or the fact that Nemesis and Pinhead have good anti-loop potential.

    Idk, if I had to guess based on what I'd know about Artist, her counterplay is the same as many Killers rn, even if it is boring- Hold W. If you really wanna play with loops, make sure you put yourself in positions where you can chain a few tiles together (even if they all aren't great) so she can't just zone you out for free with her birds. Keep an eye on the birds through walls when possible to try to stay out of their line of attack. If you have crows mid-chase, and you have distance, you could also try that thing of hopping into a locker to get rid of them mid chase. (Fast vault in and out). I'm sure a good Artist will still down you eventually, but the key usually is buying time.

    Idk, that's just my guess on how to counter her based on what I know/have seen. I definitely don't think she should be compared to Nurse or even Spirit/Blight with how strong she is at this point, since I don't think we've seen her full potential yet on either side. (Plus, I really don't agree with the oversimplification of the other Killers. I think it takes out a lot of their nuances while ignoring some of their major counters by just saying 'Loopable and Jukeable', because all of Killers fall into that category, especially if they aren't good.)

  • egg_egg_ Member Posts: 999
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