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Davids Sexuality

KeiOrtemKeiOrtem Member Posts: 234
edited April 28 in General Discussions

So this may be a bit long but after reading that people feel that its forced/wasnt the right character/he has a ex thats a woman I feel like it should be talked about. I should not that these are all my personal opinions and it is kinda long so feel free to skip if you dont want to read.

1) "Making David King Gay Feels Forced"/"He had an ex that was a woman"

On the surface level, perhaps it may seemed forced but if you dig deeper beyond just scratching the surface, you will see that it truly does not feel like that. From the moment that we are born we are constantly learning about ourselves. We dont just come out of the womb and announce that we are gay, straight, bi, etc. These things take time to learn and sometimes you may never learn these things about yourselves(especially depending on how your parents raised you)


The fact that people feel that David having a girlfriend in the past and now coming out as gay is considered a retcon in lore really dont take into account(at least to me anyway) that maybe this is before he learned more enough about himself/finding out that he was gay. We live our lives through learning, experimenting, and experiencs; people change emotionally, physically, and mentally over time so the fact that people see this as a retcon doesnt make much sense to me.


2) "This was not the right character to choose to make gay"

Why does this character not feel like that? I see that people say that "they didnt get gay vibes from David Kink," my answer to that is, why do you mean that someone gives off gay vibes? Just like anyone else, gay men come in many shapes, sizes, personalities and more. Its not just someone with a fruity drink and saying "yaas queen" These could be considered harmful stereotypes but to be honest theres a lot of of us out there that are like that. I have gay friends that you wouldnt know are gay just by looking at them but thats because they arent into the typical things that some people would deem "gay behavior" Like personally I dont find drag shows fun to watch(im more of a criminal minds kind of gay myself) and some of my friends are appear as masuline as could be love watching those types of things. It all depends on peoples personal taste.

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  • StarrseedStarrseed Member Posts: 1,206

    As soon as I saw the news I new there would be a Hugh fuzz. I think it's awesome we got the first confirmt character and to be honest no matter what character they pick people would complain that there aren't gay vibes from them (what ever that means) and if they did a brand new char to be the first gay every body would complain that it's a toke character so you can't make them happy :/

    On another note I would love them to make a Charakter that "gives gay vibes" probably an male that is very feminine in its style and then two month later make a time that's reveals he is like barney Stinson and picks up girls on the fly just to mess with the people making fun of him

  • GentlemanFridgeGentlemanFridge Member Posts: 3,182

    ...Trickster?

    (I have to admit that I have no idea who Barney Stinson is)

  • xBlitzAce1989xxBlitzAce1989x Member Posts: 336

    Trickster definitely has some gay vibes. Ace Visconti has gaydar going off in my head.

  • StarrseedStarrseed Member Posts: 1,206

    How I met your mother great show basicly a very charming guy that only wants one thing from woman and is very good at it.

    Yes like trickster that certainly fits very well. Thats something I do myself I am a straight man I'm married and have a kid but I am very feminine I like to wear stuff that typically is woman stuff but I don't label genders on cloth and since I'm more from a more rural area from a small village I get strange looks often

  • Lochnload_exeLochnload_exe Member Posts: 1,344

    I just think the reveal was bad and it makes BHVR look like they just did it for brownie points and to stop people asking about an eventual rep character. If the reveal happened naturally through his lore and the tome, and people were allowed to find it out themselves, it would have been way less controversial imo. Still controversial, but less so.

    All in all, personally I was happier with their original mindset of leaving every character's sexuality up to one's own interpretation, but representation is welcome and always good(even if it appears lazy)

  • NerfedFreddyNerfedFreddy Member Posts: 292

    Quite ironic because lgbt always uses david as an example of straight character because of his "lore" and now "lore doesn't matter much (long explanation why) and he can be gay" btw

  • Buily09Buily09 Member Posts: 3,525

    That's very long time ago :D

  • WeenieDogWeenieDog Member Posts: 2,067

    I think I've heard more david x dwight than what ever it is your making up.

  • GoodBoyKaruGoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 21,120

    Actually in a lot of the posts we use him as an example of a straight canon relationship (not character) and while it's entirely possible he could be bi, or gay, having confirmation of a homosexual relationship (not character) to equal things out would've been nice, but good way to completely misinterpret our arguments!

  • KurriKurri Member Posts: 1,599

    It's funny you mention Overwatch when this situation is the same copy/paste "We've made one of our characters gay to shut up the masses" that Overwatch did.

    It's less of just having a gay character, and more of having an LGBT+ character that you connect with from their initial lore instead of it being thrown in after.

    It's the whole throwing in after the fact that makes it appear forced. After the outrage, after the demands, and after the authenticity. It's also the same situation copy/pasted from many other game companies. "We need a gay character" "This character is liked by the gays" "This character is now gay". Instead of connecting with your LGBT+ community, researching their past, what they had to deal with, what they were feeling, and the characters they connect and empathize with to use as references, etc. Basically ignoring all the work and research into good character creation.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,811

    I mean, the article linked in the other thread mentioned the research that they did on the subject, so idk.

  • KurriKurri Member Posts: 1,599
    edited April 27

    Yeah their whole "We did research, because we said we did, please believe us" article. Which in the article it seems their research reached the limits of a proactive reddit forum, and no further. Literally you can change every word of Behavior to Blizzard, and every word of David to Tracer and you get the same thing that happened in Overwatch.

    Next they will be randomly mentioning Yui's gay with an image, because of their "research". (Popular character liked by the LGBT+ community, same thing happened with Soldier 76 in Overwatch).

    Though I have no place to argue, by technicalities it means BHVR met their promise, and this represents some people I am sure. It appears to be more of a marketing direction which is what is disappointing to see. I had expected professional writing and story-telling for a whole new character that many can relate to, but at the same time be it's own story (which makes it more relatable).

    Edit: Though they did mention in the article they plan to BRING more LGBTQ+ characters to the game, so fingers crossed, we might get a more relatable LGBTQ+ character. I'm not giving up hope.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,811

    I mean, do you have a reason to doubt them beyond pessimism?

  • KurriKurri Member Posts: 1,599

    Do you have reason to believe them beyond them just saying they did?

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,811
  • Jacoby2041Jacoby2041 Member Posts: 843

    They should have just put it in the tome for people to figure out through the lore instead of announcing it, that way it would feel more natural and not make it seem forced

  • PulsarPulsar Member Posts: 14,868

    Rewriting an established characters lore feels very...idk. I don't think forced is the right word.

    I could change my mind depending on how BHVR continues but it feels like they're looking for any good will they can get right now and that puts a bad taste in my mouth.

  • MetaBuildSurvivorMetaBuildSurvivor Member Posts: 59

    Quite ironic that red herring is part of the shrine. :)

  • GoodBoyKaruGoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 21,120
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