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OK so you want to nerf DH.

Then nerf anti-loop killers too. Would you agree? Asking to nerf DH when we have Nurse, Spirit, Blight, Artist, Nemesis. etc... Is not fair.

Also spoiler alert: After making DH useless, You all will complain about that everyone is using Spirt Burst.



  • ViskodViskod Member Posts: 834

    Overcome would be better for most people anyway. Just holding W, Overcome will give you 40 seconds on a killer before they can catch. up. You can literally run the distance of Red Forest, diagonally.

    I've never had a Dead Hard give that kind of advantage, even if they use it to close the gap to a pallet or a vault.

  • CluelessClueless Member Posts: 316

    Your terms are acceptable.

  • LordCyphreLordCyphre Member Posts: 194


  • NamelessNameless Member Posts: 826

    I disagree with the idea that any power related to looping needs a rework if Dead Hard gets nerfed, because at that point you're assuming that Dead Hard is a necessity to counter them and that's just not the case. I've been playing without Dead Hard for a while now and I seem to manage. I'm not even an amazing survivor either.

    I do agree that certain killers are incredibly boring to go against because they have abilities related to looping and require you to press the W key rather than actual looping. There's just hardly any interaction between the survivor and killer, but that does not make them overpowered and Dead Hard doesn't plasterfix this either...

  • ThatOneDemoPlayerThatOneDemoPlayer Member Posts: 5,095

    Then nerf every second chance Perk the Survivors have, and give Killers base-kit NOED. If you only want to go against M1 Killers, at least give them a chance to play the game

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,393

    It's not even overpowered people just suck and can't accept it

  • GloamGloam Member Posts: 543

    You can beat any of those killers without DH though? I don't understand the logic.

  • ShinobuSKShinobuSK Member Posts: 4,390

    Why? You will be getting rekt by any killer not just top tier without your precious DH you cant play without

  • SumnoxSumnox Member Posts: 439

    As a matter of fact, I was.

    Of course it will bring something both sides will complain about. Survivors will complain about that new thing, and for killers it wil just be another day of complaining in general.

  • dugmandugman Member Posts: 7,992
    edited May 15

    Just take away the invulnerability. The distance is still useful obviously but losing the invulnerability during the lunge eliminates that whole “I’m close enough to hit but I need to wait a few seconds to bait out a Dead Hard“ thing that often happens. (And as a side benefit it eliminates those annoying hacks which auto-Dead Hard on a swing).

  • AneurysmAneurysm Member Posts: 5,108

    I think people get a bit too into these debates. Nerfs aren't decided based on who articulates the better argument on the forums, pick rates and win rates as well as complaints go into those decisions.

    Not running DH every single match would have probably been a better way to try and save it but I think it's more a question of when the axe falls rather than if at this point.

  • Nathan13Nathan13 Member Posts: 6,122

    we still complaining about spirit???

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,393

    Nobody said bait it out 4head , range and mobility killers have the ability to counter dead hard how about stop playing ######### killers and expecting people to be bots and go down for you

  • crowbarmancrowbarman Member Posts: 466
    edited May 15

    I was a killer main, and now play more survivor and consider myself an expert looper now.

    DH is by far the best second chance perk in the game. SB is less troublesome as it can't be saved in the same way for those end game situations.

    No, you shouldn't DH for distance. DH still probably would be popular even if you didn't gain distance on the killer.

    I have no problems with solo queue either. Yes, many teams are awful. I do my own thing and just have fun. It's still a tough slog for any new killers and I often feel real bad at the end of the game when I see my randos tbagging. Stop thinking about the killer mains in the forum and think about the "average" player.

  • ThatOneDemoPlayerThatOneDemoPlayer Member Posts: 5,095
    edited May 15

    Dead Hard counters every single Killer in the game except for Nurse and Blight. Ranged Killers get cucked by the invincibility and mobility (or any Killer that isn't a ranged Killer/Nurse/Blight) Killers get cucked by the free distance

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