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hey behaviour its time to rework nurse

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  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 10,066

    I just want the devs to acknowledge she’s too strong at this point. Literally no one but nurse mains actually defend her at this point.

  • MetronixMetronix Member Posts: 143

    That's not true. If you read the thread, there are people defending her, that are not playing her. (raising my Hand)

  • Little_KittenLittle_Kitten Member Posts: 285
    edited June 14

    So, from your point of view, if you see on a topic 5 or 6 speakers who agree with you, then it means that the whole world thinks that she is too strong?

    Sorry, but it doesn't work like that, does it?

    I know survivors, who don't play killers, who have a hard time dealing with the nurse, and who don't have any problems with her addons.

    The more time goes by, the more players would like everything to be easy, might as well remove Nurse and Blight, lower all killers to 75m/s, increase the fixing speed of generators by 250%, decrease the charge consumption of items by 500%, and allow survivors to have the passive ability to automatically stun the killer for 3 minutes when the latter hits them.

  • Kira4EvrKira4Evr Member Posts: 1,887

    No, leave her alone

  • DeathstrokeDeathstroke Member Posts: 962

    She is not hardest you need few matches to bit undertand blinking once you learn that it's not that hard. Pinhead is much harder killer for example it's very hard to control his chains. Only thing with nurse is bit hard is to quess what survivors going to do but once you played enough you will quess that most of the time. Nurse needs major nerf she has best power in the game. Oni's power is second best but he has to earn it is that fair nurse to get best power in the game right at the start.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 10,066

    That’s not what I mean. What I do mean is that whenever one of these threads show up nurse mains seem to be the only ones trying to defend her. I don’t want the game to be easier in fact I want maps to be less survivor sided and objectives to become slower. What I don’t want is 2-3 killers to dominate over the rest, by nerfing them (mainly nurse) it will be easier then to balance the game

  • MetronixMetronix Member Posts: 143


    It is not the case. Neither your first statement, nor the second. Not everyone defending her is a Nurse main, read the whole thread. Nurse is not dominating. You can win against a good nurse. If it is a sweaty player behind her it would not matter if it was nurse or any other killer, except the plain weak ones. I mean, sure, this game is not very balanced, but Nurse is really not the problem. You just need different stradegies against her than against almost all other killers. That's pretty much all about it.

  • MewishisMewishis Member Posts: 287

    That's because it's started again where everyone is complaining it happened before and it's happening again people hate playing against Nurse and that's fine. I'm sorry you hate Nurse, but you have to understand some of us to love facing and playing against Nurse. I feel like people think everyone who is left that plays Nurse now only plays her because she is strong when that is just not true some people love her design and the way you have to play against her.

    You can say I'm lying or just enjoy a training wheel killer idc you are entitled to your own opinion, just don't claim it as the fact that's all I ask, but many people were fine when Nurse was reworked once before and that was enough for a time for people because Nurse's pick rate plummeted with only a few people that enjoyed Nurse sticking with her.

    I think the lack of facing as many Nurses and the inclusion of sbmm has created this situation where people go up against a Nurse that has been playing that killer for years and get destroyed causing this domino effect where people think all Nurses are just absolute monsters, but it just isn't true. The nurse is one of those killers you need to know how they work to counter, similar to I guess as an example buffed legion when they were first buffed people kept together in groups for who knows what reason and mended quickly making it seem like Legion was this uncounterable monster when all they needed to do was split up and deny legions power.

    I know this sounds crazy, but Nurse is similar in the regard that her counters aren't known unless you play her or figure out how exactly she works, as she relies heavily on visual and audio its one of the reasons why corn maps suck as her and Lery's because those maps hard counter her and why maps like dead dawg and game are so good, both are small and offer little visual blockers.

    It's just frustrating for people who love playing Nurse and against Nurse because it's not like people don't type out exactly how she is countered and yes there are maps where she is too good on like the game and dead dawg, but I don't think making her awful to play as is the solution or downright removing her. Like it really will kill the game for me, because imagine if your favorite killer was removed or made so unfun to play that you don't enjoy them anymore, like deathslinger mains. I don't think making killers so unfun in design to play as is the solution to making Nurse more bearable to play against you can take Nurses' addons and make them all useless for all I care, but please don't ruin Nurse.

    I mean is it that hard to understand why we are so vehemently opposed to it when everyday threads are asking for Nurse to be ruined? Like I admit I care too much, but I'm just kind of sick of all the people who are like acting like Nurse mains are the worst kind of people on the forums and at times it feels like everyone hates us and doesn't care what we have to say because they think our opinion is invalid. After all, we enjoy playing such a character. I mean have you seen how many people say "ooh you just defend this character because she is op." meanwhile those same people don't think top-performing swf teams are a problem "because it's not all swf" meanwhile they turn a blind eye to Nurse for whatever reason and act as all Nurses do is 4k every game no exceptions.

    Short answer: because we are tired that people don't listen to anything we say because they think our opinion is invalid for dumb reasons.

  • VerconisspVerconissp Member Posts: 1,467

    These pics prove nothing though,

    You coulda been a 4 man swf who just got a nurse and instantly gave up off the bat instead of trying,

    Or two just gave up entirely and the other two didn't wanna play it through so,

    That or you guys kept staying around eachother after one got down =___=

    Again.. not a Nurse Issue, Player issue,

    I'll say it once and i'll continue saying it

    NURSE DOES NOT NEED TO BE REWORKED, NERFED, OR CHANGED. UNTIL WE SEE ALOT OF CHANGES THAT ACTUALLY HELPS BOTH SIDES,

    Period...

  • pseudechispseudechis Member Posts: 2,569
    edited June 14

    You missed the point there didn’t you? Reread it and try again.

    Varied killers keep the game interesting. Making nurse chase the same way as other killers basically nullifying everything that makes her varied and interesting is the perfect way to make sure every game of dbd is the same.

    Learn to play around the nurse, start with not running around the same rock 6 times that doesn’t work.

  • BrokenSouIBrokenSouI Member Posts: 6,702

    She's not too strong though. Have you seen the new maps and reworks ? Maps are completely busted for the way survivors want to play(aka mindless looping and pre dropping)

  • katoptriskatoptris Member Posts: 2,435

    Don't mind me

  • Alphasoul05Alphasoul05 Member Posts: 602
    edited June 14

    And yet, she's one of the least picked killers with the lowest killrates. Evidently she's not as easy as you think because no one outside of already high MMR killers probably play her. A company like BHVR uses statistics a lot, and my guess is their statistics say that at the highest level, where Nurse is deadliest, the kill/escape rates are probably fairly even, because only really good survivors/SWF would be playing those kinds of Nurse's, and she's not as strong as you think against good survivors.

    See, a lot of people aren't interested in learning to play against Nurse, or run into a good Nurse to learn how to. It's always funny when a terrible survivor thinks every Nurse they run into is god tier when the reality is they're just bad, and predictable, and would've lost against any killer.

    I have been seeing everyone use this weird notion that "Everything in the game would be better/changed if Nurse didn't exist" as a means to justify the state of the game. No Nurse? Oh, better map design, better perk design, better killer design, better everything design. How delusional some people really are to say stuff like that and get people on their side because of their hate for a killer, and how they could be so ignorant is beyond me

    The average player would be better off complaining against killers they actually see often, while the people complaining about Nurse, in my mind at least, are probably the kinds of people so used to bullying the majority of the cast of killers they just hate the idea of a few select killers existing they can't easily deal with. That doesn't mean I don't think some things about Nurse aren't broken, I'd say her range addons should all be nerfed, and she shouldn't be able to take advantage of things like Starstruck/Devour if she uses a blink, but she doesn't need much else nerfed realistically.

  • foxsansboxfoxsansbox Member Posts: 1,859

    The 'X would be better if Nurse didn't exist' is code for 'I have zero compelling arguments but still want to create misinformation that justifies my stance'

  • Little_KittenLittle_Kitten Member Posts: 285

    She needs no nerf.

    She needs no addons rework.

    She's juste fine.

    Learn to play against.

    That's all.

  • lav3lav3 Member Posts: 397
    edited June 14

    I don't think Nurse is the urgent case when maps are stupidly broken and many killers are weak or easy to loop or both.

  • DeathstrokeDeathstroke Member Posts: 962

    Game would be better without nurse everything has to be balanced around her. If some perk is made too strong she will became op for example stratruck. She has best power in the game and she does not have to do anything to earn it. Oni has second best but he is very limited on how he can use it and has to earn it. If nurse is fine in game like this I quess oni should start with his power and would still be weaker than nurse. But it at least would make him viable.

  • foxsansboxfoxsansbox Member Posts: 1,859

    There is zero evidence that the game is balanced around Nurse, the champion with the worst kill rate and a very small pick rate.

    It is a bold lie to say that with a straight face.

  • Little_KittenLittle_Kitten Member Posts: 285

    In any case, I think we can assume that as long as a survivor who complains about the nurse ... does NOT play the nurse, he or she has no legitimacy to complain about it.

    You can't judge something you don't know or play.

    (and for the smart asses who would reply that it's ok for me to say that, since I'm a main nurse ... at the time of her 5 blinks, I agree that yes, absolutely, she was OP)

  • TurboTOneTurboTOne Member Posts: 263

    I think by just making the recharge rate take longer and removing all recharge rate addons the Nurse would be a lot weaker.

    Imagine a Nurse wich takes 5 seconds to recharge 1 Token. so 10 Seconds in Total for 2 Tokens.

    A Survivor could gain good Distance over her in that Time.



    The only Problem i see is: Thats boring as Hell for both Survivors and The Killer.


  • BardonBardon Member Posts: 681

    So you have nothing but your own opinion to back yourself up and a sad reductio ad absurdum opinion on Nurse's difficulty level.

    Well, that settles the question as to whether your argument has any validity.

  • espookedespooked Member Posts: 397
    edited June 15

    I agree, also delete Huntress

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