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I don’t think SB will be meta after DH nerf

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  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 2,671

    Also people fail to take on account one of the reasons Sprint Burst is so underrepresented even when its so damn good is because its an exhaustion perk and you can only run one of those so people running DH will never equip SB, DH being picked 75% at high MMR means there is only room for a 25% SB usage.

    They are both mutually exclusive and SB being displaced by DH has made a lot of people forget how painful is to see someone SB away directly into Shack, Springwood houses of pain, the meat tree, Myers house etc... every single time you spot them (or directly never had to experience it because they started playing after DH overshadowed anything else).

  • SimplyPixelated06SimplyPixelated06 Member Posts: 345

    Lithe is what I used to use thinking dead hard was overrated when I first started so I got it a little late but have been using dead hard ever since. That or sprint burst, but I don't have much experience using it. Definitely not running balanced since that perk is very situational and some maps have basically no high places to fall from.

  • AkumakajiAkumakaji Member Posts: 2,237

    I have seen survivors be doing all of these, but here is the thing: they do this at the START of the chase, and you can instantly decide: do I follow them, or do I chalk off this 5s as lost time? With DH you might chase someone for 35s, only for them to invalidate all your progress in an instand. SB can be annoying, but DH can be downright disheartening. No, I don't fear a SB meta more then I hate the current DH meta.

    And its also a skill issue: 99ing SB to be used at the purrfect moment takes some skill and I might salute you for that, while hitten E to reach that window that you had no business reaching just feels cheap and a lot of people can do it. Yes, bad plays can also waste DH much easier, but there is a reason why DH is used by over 50% of the population: reliable distance and I-frames on demand.

  • TotemSeeker91TotemSeeker91 Member Posts: 1,425

    Eh, I don't like it because the killer gets to determine when it procs, not you, personally why I always run lithe

  • TotemSeeker91TotemSeeker91 Member Posts: 1,425

    It's really not, SB is a very fair perk, you wanna save it for the chase? Good luck walking everywhere, you're 99ing it? Good, that's alot of setup so you deserve it

  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 2,671

    Killers are going to complain about SB or wathever other perk, Killers ALWAYS complain about a perk, is a neverending cycle of complains, DH isnt the first perk to cause an outrage and it wont be the last, SB has a lot of potential to be the next contentious issue because it directly affects chases but the shift could go to any other perk, especially the reworked ones.

    On top of my head the complains since I started playing were: BT -> Self-Care -> Adrenaline -> DS -> MoM -> IW -> DH -> CoH -> DH and pretty much at least one perk from every Survivor on the PTB until the Survivor releases and the perks show they are actually useless. Not saying some perks werent worth of complaining, especially release MoM and first iteration DS, but it gets tiresome seeing a perk nerfed and 1 week later the same exact "Nerf [Perk] its OP and Killer feels miserable, this Survivor used [Perk] and now my feelings hurt badly" threads.

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 6,578
  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 2,671
    edited June 20

    Because most of them werent nerfed yet they are not contetious anymore? Adrenaline, BT and IW are the exact same as they were when I started playing (I know BT was nerfed several times but it was pretty much the way it is now when I started, except the Deep Wounds mechanic).

    Where are the 4 daily threads about nerfing them into the ground? They are not broken anymore? The thing is people bandwagon and bandwagon bad, especially if Streamer™ says [Thing] is superbroken, even if the problems with [Thing] stem from their own mistakes, I do believe DH needs a change but once its changed it wont be long before something gets targeted again and SB has a lot of tickets to be the new target.

    Edit: It also feels tiresome a lot of the nerf perk daily threads invoke how miserable players are and how much it hurts their emotional being seeing someone using wathever perk is the current target, like come on, what kind of easy life you have for it for DH/Adrenaline/BT/Wathever being the thing that makes you miserable? give me a break with the sad feelings over a freaking game...

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 6,578
    edited June 20


    Iron Will received a bunch of complaint threads after the recent Stridor nerf/sound calculation change.

    BT also received a bunch of complaint threads after it allowed for almost guaranteed safe unhooks/teammate farming during the period that Emblems still determined rank.

    Most people are stating that SB will NOT be as powerful as DH and providing solid reasoning. The weaknesses of SB are more than apparent. Most of the posts stating otherwise come from the same old DH defenders and/or people known for just being contrary for the sake of being a contrarian - Time will certainly tell which is stronger.

    Finally, I hope you see the irony in your last paragraph - I don't think the topic is worth the emotional investment you're giving it.

  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 2,671
    edited June 20

    Im not putting any emotional investement into this, Im just discussing why I believe SB has a lot of tickets to be the next target for "nerf this" threads because its actually a very good perk, Im not saying is as powerful as DH or it will be, I dont know why you imply Im stating that, what Im implying is, people always bandwagon against something, then they bandwagon against something else even if the first thing that caused the outrage is left untouched and that is a fact because it has been happening since forever.

    Sure, BT and IW got some complaints, a lot of stuff get complains from time to time, but they never got the same attention they got when they were targeted, there wasnt a ton of daily threads about them, the complains after they were targeted lasted 1 week and then people went to pile up against wathever was the current target which is what Im saying is going to happen after DH gets changed, something else will get attention from someone and suddenly everyone wants to gut it.

  • TotemSeeker91TotemSeeker91 Member Posts: 1,425

    Alright sureeeeeee, let's just pretend survivors are precious little angels that don't do no wrong and don't complain about anything...right

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 6,578

    If anything feels unfair or broken, of course people will complain.

    People dogpiling on DH/SB now are about as silly as people dogpiling on Nurse - no one knows the perk/system changes at this point.

    If they, say, buff Self Care to CoH levels of silliness, why wouldn't people jump on the discussion?

  • ZarathosZarathos Member Posts: 1,901

    No trapper you can force the m1 lothe is actively worse vs trapper because your encouraged to jump into traps.

    Wroath has to recloak post hit and spot you have overcome sooner to know ot worthwhile doing. Instadown killer is the only good example where sprint burst and lithe would be better pf which there is only two consistent instadowners the others have long periods of powercooldown.

    Nurse is more deadly when you hop thrpugh windows as your telling her exaclty where you are. Stop using windows vs nurse when possible. Lithe is terrible as it can be switched off very easily by a lack of windows. It will be sprint burst most likely. Though i will expect it a lot less then crutch hard. Assuming dead hard gets gutted wh8ch it wont. They porbably will half ass it and give you less distance on dead hard and itll still be to strong.

  • pizzaduffyhp90pizzaduffyhp90 Member Posts: 695

    If Sprint Burst does become the new meta I don't think there will be much complaints with it because it's very easy to counter and it doesn't help you that much most of the time.

  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 2,671

    Of course stuff that feels unfair is deserving of complains that is normal but what its absurd is the way the comunity bandwagons stuff just because, a lot of complained stuff hasnt changed much or changed at all but since someone with visibility decided to go after something else they just forget about it so either it wasnt broken enough for people to literally cry or have mental breakdowns or they dont even know why they were complaining in the first place. I complain about Nurse being broken and if they buff Coulrophobia to give a 10000% gen slowdown to the entire map Ill complain about both things because Nurse is still broken.

    Then again, the thread is about how SB is actually a strong perk and has a lot of chances for being the next bandwagon because thats how the comunity behaves since 2018.

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 6,578

    Not really the intent I got from the OP, but we can agree to disagree.

  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 2,671

    You are right, it was the other way around, OP talked about SB not being meta and people started saying it will probably take the throne because its the best exhausting perk after DH and how it was going to get the target, my bad, I mixed the thread with another discussion in the channels.

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 6,578
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