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How would you nerf Nurse?

AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859

The next strongest killer in the game does not come even close to a Nurse potential and power.

So without repeating the same things that we're said over and over again about how strong Nurse is and why,how would you nerf her?

Now this may seem like a bit much,but this is how I would nerf someone that has the power to ignore everything in the game to make it fair and balanced.

Make Plaid Flannel basekit.

Make Nurse a 110m killer.

Reduce her blink charges to a maximum of 1 at all times.

Remove blink recharge cooldown.

Rework addons that gives Nurse aditional blink charges.

This will make Nurse easier to learn while still being very strong played by a good Nurse player.

I honestly think there is no middle ground when it comes to Nurse,she needs a heavy nerf to be considered fair to go againts.



  • MikaelaWantsYourBoonMikaelaWantsYourBoon Member Posts: 3,730

    Nurse is 110m? I hope you are joking, looks busted to me.

  • AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859
    edited June 26

    Only 1 blink which gives room for mindgaming,and its really hard to catch up to survivors as a 110m killer.

    As I sait,I want Nurse to be nerfed,but not completely gutted.

  • MikaelaWantsYourBoonMikaelaWantsYourBoon Member Posts: 3,730

    Killer, who is ignoring everything can not be faster than survivors. Good Nurses can catch you even with 1 blink. Even they won't, they will not let you make distance and they will catch you because they are 110% killer now.

  • fulltononfulltonon Member Posts: 4,246

    she can be 105% with addon and it's not exactly strongest though.

  • MikaelaWantsYourBoonMikaelaWantsYourBoon Member Posts: 3,730

    It is meme add-on tho and i never used this add-on or i never saw someone used. I am usually using charge add-ons, so i have no clue about meme add-ons.

  • AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859

    She still fatigues after a blink,unless she perfectly blinks on top of you through walls and obstacles,she cant guarantee a hit with only 1 blink.

  • BrokenSouIBrokenSouI Member Posts: 7,129

    I wouldn't because she's fine. Maybe people should just get good

  • AdaezAdaez Member Posts: 859

    I think this is a problem and that's why Nurse keeps getting buffed instead of nerfed.

  • WampiritaWampirita Member Posts: 588

    Imo the one change, which is simple, but would change A LOT...

    Just make her blink attacks as not count as m1 attacks.

  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 5,886

    I'd only nerf her addons. that's about it.

  • ViridyanViridyan Member Posts: 78

    She's fine as is.

  • Killing_TimeKilling_Time Member Posts: 641

    I wouldn't nerf her because she's not op. Survivors can destroy every killer except an elite nurse. Get better at the game.

  • egg_egg_ Member Posts: 1,086

    She needs her range addons gutted and arguably the recharge ones nerfed, and her blink attack should become special

  • ThatOneDemoPlayerThatOneDemoPlayer Member Posts: 5,623

    Nerf a couple of her Add-Ons, her base-kit is fine

  • steponmeadirissteponmeadiris Member Posts: 222

    I think basekit Nurse is okay, to be honest. I'd much rather change perk and add-on related things.

    1. Make her attacks after a Blink count as Special Attacks rather than Basic Attacks. This would make Exposed perks useless on her, and let's be honest, she really doesn't need them.
    2. Halve/ the duration of aura-reading perks on her. This would allow BHVR to buff mediocre aura-reading perks, since they'd no longer be incredibly strong on Nurse. Having 15-second aura reading on an M1 Killer generally does nothing except help you mindgame a little bit better, while a Nurse can easily down 2 people in that time. Making the aura-reading last shorter on her specifically would fix this.
    3. Rework some add-ons. Bring back the line of sight restriction for Torn Bookmark, and change the range add-ons to something else entirely/nerf their numbers significantly.

  • Evil_DwightEvil_Dwight Member Posts: 27

    Hi, legacy dwight and nurse main here.

    Try playing nurse before you start claiming she needs a nerf.

    1. Survivors outplay her all the time, if you play nurse you will learn how to counter nurse
    2. MOST nurses NEVER get even a single kill. The nurses that you are complaining about are: me, or any person who played nurse since she was released.
    3. Nurse has one of the lowest kill rates, if not THE lowest. Therefore they are just as likely to BUFF nurse than nerf her. (which is to say ~0% chance).

    Try running toward her, and/or breaking line of sight.

  • BiscuitsBiscuits Member Posts: 786

    Yeah we know. Her kill rate sucks, but if you restrict the stats to the top 5-1% of nurse players. She goes from low 40% kills per game, all the way up to about 90%-100%. You start adding the meta nurse perks that make her even more oppressive, suddenly its not a question about if you will lose. But how quickly she will 4k. Anyone who argues that she isn't a problem either doesn't play at top MMR, or directly has a stake in the game (plays her a lot and doesn't want her to be changed).

  • foxsansboxfoxsansbox Member Posts: 1,919
    edited June 26

    None of the people here complaining are likely playing top MMR nurses. That is how statistical averaging works when she has a 44% kill rate.

    The reality is they are likely playing average Nurses who had a good game or decent Nurses having a regular game.

    Also I'd love to see some proof about that top MMR Winrate. Sure it exists for outliers, just like it does for any killer, the question is with what frequency and you need hard numbers to back that up.

  • AGMAGM Member Posts: 596
    edited June 26

    4.4 m/s, 1 blink only, no exceptions.

    Slower base blink recharge rate.

    Make a special attack with not basic m1 properties for after Nurse blinks (don't just make blink attacks special attack).

    Fix range add-ons giving faster blink travel speed.

    That's where I'd start. In other words, I agree with most of OP.

  • dugmandugman Member Posts: 9,027

    If I was going to change Nurse it might be something like.

    • Make Plaid Flannel base kit so new players can see where she’s teleporting (but make the targeting icon a bit smaller and less obstrusive, on consoles in particular it’s apparently so large as to be distracting).
    • Let Nurse keep her head up after a Blink so she’s not staring at the ground all game. Letting her stay more aware of her surroundings during a Blink stun would make her a lot more fun to play.
    • Change her base kit to the red add-on where she can only Blink once but has 105% movement speed base. That tones down her power level at higher MMR since it takes away the ability to get an instant followup Blink to attack, but still leaves open the core ability of being able to instantly hop through obstacles to get near a survivor for a hopefully quick chase. It also gives her just a little extra flexibility on map mobility. With this change replace any add-ons that give her additional blinks as well, have it be a hard limit of 1 Blink.
  • rooCraahrooCraah Member Posts: 132

    Boring answer:

    Make her blink like Oni's power, or Corrupt Purge Plague, a 115 killer that would have to unlock her blink. You'd have unlimited blinks and 3.4m/s chain blink window, lasting 15s without addons or until you injure a survivor.

    I say boring only because we already have a lot of killers with long-cooldown and unlockable powers, but it would limit Nurse's power and forve her to play around pallets.

    Maybe outside her main unlockable blink power, she can do a single blink without a blink attack, letting her reach different floors of the map and catch up to survivors mid-chase, as being able to pressure high ground gens like on Dead Dawg Saloon or Asylum without taking the stairs makes her feel special, while not being the reason she's OP

  • PepsidotPepsidot Member Posts: 1,523
    edited June 26

    - Remove her ability to modify a blinks length from looking down at the floor

    - Have some sort of turn rate cap when she blinks. Right now nurses can have a high DPI and can do a very quick 360 after a blink to get a hit

    - Rework range and recharge addons

    - Make her blink attacks count as a special attack (like Blights)

    Although perhaps before doing all of that simply nerf her broken addons. Then we can return to see how broken addonless(ish) nurses really are, or not. It's hard to remember after all this time because every nurse brings one or both broken addons.

  • NorhcNorhc Member Posts: 493
    edited June 26

    Basic attacks after blinking are now special attacks + need to hit a survivor thrice to down them.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 10,206

    There’s 2 ways BHVR can go about this

    1. Keep her power but make it even weaker
    2. Completely rework her

    My go to is option 2 since after more balance changes to other things option 1 will end up just as strong as she was before

  • Hawk81584Hawk81584 Member Posts: 184

    dh was fine as was.....but the state of the game changes....its time for her to get placed back a notch or 2\

  • ValikValik Member Posts: 1,243

    Nurse is potentially the strongest.

    She is designed for perfection - but human meat brains have difficulty with perfection, and are really good at generalities.

    Nurse is designed to be played by a robot, not a person. The balancing factor is the human element.

    That being said, when players drill themselves and train to mitigate human error - this fades away quickly.

    The Nurse with 9 hours of experience? Laughable and weak - pathetic and the target of bully squads.

    The Nurse with 90 hours of experience? Deadly, but fallible, balanced.

    The Nurse with 900 hours of experience? Completely broken and there's no recourse.

    it seems that this is a major draw to Nurse players, which is probably a reason why it will not be changed much in the future. Although I do not understand why even those who love the nurse feel the need to act as though she does not break the conventions of gameplay.

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