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Still haven't found an actual tangible reason for voice chat not existing

Just keep hearing the same regurgitated garbage whenever voice chat is brought up, cross play is coming up on two years and I still can't play with my friends on other platforms.

Now I know not all of the blame should go to Behavior, PlayStation also doesn't have an accessible way to talk cross platform but it's still super frustrating.

Makes the game way less playable with most of my friends, I don't expect Behavior to actually consider it anyway so I guess you can just consider this a rant post.

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  • tofurkey_jerkytofurkey_jerky Member Posts: 36

    I don't want to talk to my friends, I want to talk to my solo queue teammates.

    It doesn't take that much work to implement voip, I think it's an Unreal Engine plugin. The moderation it needs is minimal, games have voice chat all the time and they don't need massive moderation apparatuses to ban people being mean.

    The game should already be balanced around communication if it's as easy as you say it is to communicate already. If adding voice chat leads to survivors dominating every match a full rebalance around voip and the addition of a callout system like Warthunder's should result in matchmaking being better for everyone and a more fun game.

  • Slayer192845Slayer192845 Member Posts: 92
  • Slayer192845Slayer192845 Member Posts: 92

    People already talk over Discord or party chat for whichever console they're on, it'll just make it easier for cross platform people, do you have cross platform friends? How do you communicate with them?

  • MooksMooks Member Posts: 10,645

    The game should already be balanced around communication if it's as easy as you say it is to communicate already.

    no. That’s the kind of problematic attitude from this.

    Balancing around it will never work because of language barrier and technical limitations as well as people just not wanting to talk to randoms

    also, Voice Chat wouldn’t magically bring soloq to swf Level, there will still be selfish and trolling people etc. Actually it’s very likely soloq would become even worse



    if you want to talk to your teammates, there is the official discord server for example where you can meet up with ‚randoms‘.

  • Sadako_Best_GirlSadako_Best_Girl Member Posts: 358

    How is adding voice chat putting players at a disadvantage in any way shape or form? Does BHVR really think people will go "oh nooooo my teammate is speaking Russian how will I cope with that". Jesus, if it annoys people that much just add the option to mute other players, it's really not that hard.

  • FirelliusFirellius Member Posts: 2,114

    With DbD's netcode?

  • tofurkey_jerkytofurkey_jerky Member Posts: 36

    Does this really seem like a good response to you? Europeans play Counter Strike, even with language differences and they still have fun and do well.

    If having no communication makes such a difference why is it possible to SWF? If not having voice communication puts survivors at a disadvantage against a killer, wouldn't the presence of voice communication put the killer at a disadvantage against a squad of survivors who can communicate?

    BHVR doesn't want to add voip, and their staff are defending the decision of the company. It doesn't really matter what BHVR employees actually say in the threads themselves, it would be incredibly unprofessional to side with a forum poster against the company. However, if the fanbase wants voip enough the devs might just add it, they did the same thing with grind reduction, they said it was fine then people wanted change enough and they took grind reduction more seriously.

  • AceKChromeAceKChrome Member Posts: 5

    Much like the same reason why reporting doesn't work: BHVR does what BHVR does.

  • MooksMooks Member Posts: 10,645

    you can still use your phone for voice communication while playing on PS4.

  • Slayer192845Slayer192845 Member Posts: 92

    Okay, so play without sound? That's not incredibly fun.

  • GuyFawxGuyFawx Member Posts: 1,923

    Use discord no reason for dbd to add it

  • tofurkey_jerkytofurkey_jerky Member Posts: 36
    edited July 4

    You need to think a little harder about what you're saying. If I can already use voice chat in swfs, and BHVR thinks it isn't an unfair advantage to use third party communication against the killer, why would adding voice chat to the game change anything about the balance? Either the presence of voice chat is so meaningful that being unable to communicate with your team will put you at a disadvantage, or it makes no difference to the balance and there's no reason not to add it.

    If voice chat meaningfully changes the balance then swfs should have some type of rebalancing, or some mmr offset to make the presence of coordinated gameplay fair for killers.

    If voice chat has no effect on balance than there should be no problem with adding it, people who don't want to use it can just turn it off, and it shouldn't make any balance difference for people who end up on a team they can't communicate with.

    It is pretty strange of you to argue that the game would need to be rebalanced for the presence of voice chat in one sentence, and then point me to a discord where I can use voice chat against a killer in the next. Why rebalance a game that's already balanced, what would need to change to make communication balanced?

    Balancing around it will never work because of language barrier and technical limitations as well as people just not wanting to talk to randoms

    I want to talk to randoms, and I don't care if I can't talk to French or Spanish team mates. Why withhold voip? Who cares if it isn't perfect or some of the team is silent? Why does this get repeated as an argument against a feature that's optional? I want it, I know for a fact that lots of other people want it, and it's a plugin for Unreal Engine that shouldn't be too hard to implement.

    Why would it be so unbalanced if swfs are currently communicating at a level that would be considered a perfect example of the voip system working as intended? If communication between swfs isn't overtuned compared to solo queue there should be no problem just dropping voip in.

  • tofurkey_jerkytofurkey_jerky Member Posts: 36

    It's not a good reason, most games let you just turn off voice chat, and dbd already lets you permanently minimize the chat window. You might prefer it not be added for that reason, but it isn't a good reason to leave it out of the game.

  • MooksMooks Member Posts: 10,645

    It is pretty strange of you to argue that the game would need to be rebalanced for the presence of voice chat in one sentence

    never said that though, don’t put words into my mouth.

    i said that the community will ask for rebalance once voice chat was an in-game feature.


    voice chat on it’s own isn’t giving a direct advantage - many casual swfs use it but aren’t really benefiting from it. Coordination is giving an advantage - and that is needed for soloq. For example in the form of that system the devs have talked about in the January update. Something actually accessible for everyone playing the game.


    just think about how the end-game chat is already abused (and how bad it was before the chat filter). Voice chat would make this even worse.

    i wouldn’t be against it as an actual optional feature that is on default deactivated btw. But there still isn’t a really good reason to add it.

  • tofurkey_jerkytofurkey_jerky Member Posts: 36

    i said that the community will ask for rebalance once voice chat was an in-game feature.

    I don't know how you expected me to get that out of

    Balancing around it will never work because of language barrier and technical limitations as well as people just not wanting to talk to randoms

    But setting that miscommunication aside, the playerbase is constantly asking for things to be rebalanced, and their asking for things to be rebalanced for a different reason isn't an issue for the team to overcome, or a good reason to not add voip.

    If you don't have a problem with voip as an optional feature than you don't really have any meaningful opposition to it as a feature. Voice chat is always going to have the potential to be toxic, and it is always optional. If people don't want to use it that's fine, but I still want to have it in the game as it's much more reasonable to have the playerbase not use a feature they don't like than to expect the playerbase jump through hoops to get an approximation of a feature that's unimplemented.

    I think it's more fun to joke, laugh, and mald with other gamers than it is unpleasant to mute and block a few jerks. I'm sure your interactions in post game chats have been fun sometimes, if those fun moments don't outweigh the bad moments of gamers being jerks there's no reason not to turn off chat, but I still wish I could get back all the laughs I missed out on while I was playing solo queue with people I could have become friends with if I had the chance.

  • MooksMooks Member Posts: 10,645

    i said that the community will ask for rebalance once voice chat was an in-game feature.

    I don't know how you expected me to get that out of

    Balancing around it will never work because of language barrier and technical limitations as well as people just not wanting to talk to randoms


    that as a direct response to you stating that the game should already be balanced around voice comms??? Context and me literally quoting your statement should have made that obvious. Maybe next time don’t directly jump to statements like ‚You need to think a little harder about what you're saying‘.

    but well. Another good reason against voice comms: miscommunications leading to abuse and possibly in-game trolling etc.

  • Renegade1054Renegade1054 Member Posts: 3

    if there was a way for solo-q's to join an optional 3rd party voice chat created on-demand for the lobby, would people go for it?

    e.g. a website that creates a temp voice chat server for 4 people, drop link in lobby and those that want to can join. then gets deleted after 1hr

  • tofurkey_jerkytofurkey_jerky Member Posts: 36

    You pointed me to the official DBD discord that has a whole section dedicated to helping people team up into 4-man swfs with full comms. The devs already think the game is almost as balanced for full comms as it is for solo queues, and killers already complain about it being unfair to go up against 4-man squads with full comms.

    Balancing around it will never work because of language barrier and technical limitations as well as people just not wanting to talk to randoms. Also, Voice Chat wouldn’t magically bring soloq to swf Level, there will still be selfish and trolling people etc. Actually it’s very likely soloq would become even worse

    According to your argument nothing should change if voip is dropped in. Solo queue wouldn't magically improve, so the kill rates and survival rates should remain constant. If the kill rates go way down then clearly you would be wrong about survivors getting better simply by having voip and the game would need to be rebalanced. I never said anything about arbitrarily rebalancing the game because the community asks for a rebalance.

    I think that mixup stems from you misunderstanding my "should" as a verb instead of reading it imperatively. Sorry for not being clearer, but in my defense I think the second sentence of that paragraph you were responding to should (haha) have added enough context to made it clear how I was using "should".

    but well. Another good reason against voice comms: miscommunications leading to abuse and possibly in-game trolling etc.

    If you don't want voip because people might miscommunicate or not be nice enough you might as well start arguing for the forum, Reddit, and Discord to be removed. In my opinion they're still worth having around even if some people might be annoyed by my word choice.

  • SlowpeachSlowpeach Member Posts: 425

    Not a good reason for you. Ultimately neither of our subjective opinions matter here. Just like mine doesn’t matter in the countless games I don’t play because I got sick of the abuse.

    I conceded that I’d tolerate it as an option that was by default disabled but really there’s ways of communicating on console after the game. Find good people stick with them and play with them.

  • sulaimansulaiman Member Posts: 2,487

    But they may not want to talk to you.

    The game was designed around a lack of information, and thats why i for example play solo survivor main. But once it is introduced, as you said yourself, the game needs to be rebalanced around that, and then there is no way of opting out without a big disadvantage.

    In the other hand, on my servers play a lot of people i dont share a language with (russians, italians, spanish, some asians), so voice chat would help none of us, yet the game would be balanced around that...

    No, i dont want a voice chat ingame, because for some of us they provide no advantage, but the needed balance changes would kill the game for us.

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