Don't you have to be good at chase to down the survivor you are gonna camp? Do survs always want use to hook each surv 3 times? With gens being done so quickly, a 4 vs 1 is not easy
There is an If in my sentence. It was theoretically speaking.
Again, nobody is questioning your standards of what YOU think a win means or why you do or don't Camp and Tunnel. Literally nobody.
You, however, don't get to question people who are against it and why simply because you think that it's the best way to win. We don't need you to agree, because you've already shown that you aren't cappable enough to not be biased about 1 side.
The game should be balanced so both parties have an equal chance of winning. Camping and Tunneling in it's present form do not provide a fair match. Simple as that.
Like I said, keep on camping if you find it "fun". The majority does not agree with you.
My fault, totally missed that “if”! I misread.
Ahh okay, thx I will.
Lol did you seriously compare getting 12 different downs and hooks in the course of the game with getting 1 down and going from there?
Yes there is a big difference. Go for a 12 hook game and then you'll maybe understand how much you need to get better at the game : )
Going for 12 Hooks is impossible against good Survivors if you're not playing Nurse or Blight
No just difficult, not every team is seal force 6. The point is if he goes for 12 hooks and gets only say 3-4, he will understand that maybe he sucks at chases, remembering where survivors are, which gens are being worked on w/e, all the things that would have allowed him to get a lot more.
Camping and tunneling works, they just makes you worse at the game than you would otherwise have been and when you try not camping and tunneling you'll feel like the game is impossible and incredibly survivor sided because you have no idea how to play the game.
Its a crutch, thats what crutches do, makes you bad at the game if its the only thing you can do.
And he asked for actual, honest reasons why he shouldnt just camp and tunnel so im providing him with one : )
What is winning for you? A 4k, getting much BP, feeling powerful, having fun?
I played Pinhead yesterday, using the addon to see my box, so i wasted much time just getting it to activate it's effect. Consequently I only got 5 hooks and all survivors escaped. Although having fun with it, I was a little down that I performed so badly, but then I saw that all players got at least 28k BPs. So honestly, is was a pretty good and fun match for all. Totally without camping / tunneling or sweating.
Sure not all games will be enjoyable when memeing around. But you also don't need to camp/tunnel all the time to have good matches. It all comes down to your expectations, what you want to achieve, what a "win" means to you. If you don't obligate yourself to a 4k every game, you will have more chill matches, at least in my experience.
If you're getting 12 Hooks, you're going against bad Survivors, simple as.
Survivors don't need to play super competitively to deny 12 Hooks, just doing Generators whenever possible and getting 12 Hooks won't happen.
Let's agree to disagree on camping and tunneling making the player "worse". It is the smarter play 90% of the time. There's no need to play harder when you can play smarter, and that's exactly what camping and tunneling are
If you play ''smart'' all the time you wont have any idea how to play ''hard'' when you need to : )
There's no point in playing hard when it'll almost always guarantee a loss
''and when you try not camping and tunneling you'll feel like the game is impossible and incredibly survivor sided because you have no idea how to play the game.''
Idm if the killer is pressureing only 1 surv (if it's not me, lol) and just one area of the map. I still run Kindred for a reason. If the killer camps, i do gens as i know i can still get the hatch or one of the 2 gates. I do gens and hold W anyway as it's still way too easy. And OP is right, both sides don't care about the other side having fun, it got even worse with MMR. BHVR created this. Also remember how they made better Tbag animations so it feels more "enjoyable", macro flashlights and quickswitching still works etc., etc.
I don't see a difference in finishing a gen right in the killers face and camping/tunneling. Same with Tbagging and hitting survs on a hook.
And at the end, it's just both sides playing their objectives as efficient as possible. Love it, or hate it. Won't change anytime soon.
Actually its suppose that you should only need 8 hooks on average for that 60% kill rate.
And yes, I only go for 8 hooks then last hook when last Gen done. Keeping my MMR low enough to have fun matches most of the time as killer. I dont need to try hard just to face against a group of 4 Ayrun then complain the game is survivor sided, because certainly my skill no where near my high MMR at that point.
Camping is strong because they are allergic to kindred, they prefer to run around the hook instead of doing gens, same with tunneling, the fear of doing gens is real amd apparently tunneling is easy and a survivor buying time for others is also not a real thing. Complaining about tunneling and camping comes from a play of pure salt, merely.
i do understand that getting 12 hooks is more harder. but you dont always have to sweat ur butt of and get a 12 hooks every game. getting 12 hooks every game is imposible. When there is a chance for anyone to get a 4k by camping with no punishment, Pretty sure they will take it.
Now listen everyone, This man right here gave a very good reason not to camp. Be more like him. Giving and actual reason and not saying stuff that is pointless.
EXACTLY. this guy gets it. I assume the other person 4k 12 hooks with freddy
I respect that. Thanks for giving a polite answer unlike the rest XD
Hey hey, This one understand too, The ones who whine about Camping or Tunneling definitely havent played in high MMR, as someone who does not use Nurse or Blight, Camping is our tiny chance of winning when survivors bring provethself and Brand new parts.
Thats not the point, the point is if you actually try to go for a 12 hook, you'll see how good or bad at the game you actually are. Even if you dont get a 4k, did you get 8 hooks? Pretty damn impressive. Did you get barely 3 and felt the game was impossible? You probably suck at the game and dont know how to play. Because there are aspects of the game you have been ignoring and using tunneling and camping as a crutch and as a result of that, you probably kinda suck at the game now.
You asked for reasons not to just tunnel and camp, and here is why you should do it when there isnt any other option even if it might not be the most effective tactic available, because little by little you start to suck at the game if thats all you know how to do <3
Still, im a killer main, it doesnt affect me what you do. Do what you want mate, i dont care much : )
First off, not all survivors are out to "always give you a bad experience"; just because a certain fraction of survivors are clicky-clicky teabaggers, doesn't mean we all are.
Sure, the game makes it so that (in some instances) camping/tunelling are effective strategies, but going off that logic, SWF is the most effective way to 'win' as a survivor, yet some killers are constantly complaining about SWF, with some going as far as saying it shouldn't be in the game or there should be an option to disable matchmaking with SWF's. You see the problem here? You're perfectly entitled to say that you like camping/tunelling, but others are equally entitled to have an opinion on it, too. It's a viscous cycle: the more killers camp/tunnel, the more survivors go out of their way to make the experience frustrating for the killer too (body blocking, flashlight saving, etc.).
Is it effective at times and probably gives you a better chance at winning? Sure. But remember, there are other humans who are playing this game who just want to have fun, so yeah, you're not obliged to play in a 'fair' way, but don't be surprised when people get annoyed/frustrated when they've waited 10 minutes to load into a game only to get face-camped. Not exactly fun or engaging gameplay, is it? Also, the counterargument is there are tons of good killers out there who manage to get a 3k/4k without resorting to easy tactics like camping. When I play as killer, the fun part is traversing the map and spreading pressure and using your perks to their maximum potential. Not sure how guarding a hook to kill someone early is "fun" but, each to their own... I guess.
Nothing wrong with it, Plus most of the killers camp and tunnel so why wouldn't you?
Maybe cause there is nothing to be proud about. Every braindead person can do it.
(I am talking about camping and tunneling at 5, 4 or 3 gens)
Because, for some godman reason, you have to please you opponent in this game 🙂
👌 i respect that
I respect that