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[No Mither Rework] You judge.

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  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 3,734

    @TAG said:

    Right, but consider how much time could potentially be wasted at the start by one Survivor without any help at all or without having to wait until the last gen is about to be finished.

    It's true they'd waste the killer's time, but that's what all decisive strike players do. Grab the killers attention and loop them. Once they're down they can decisive strike and run away. Here, they'd be broken for the rest of the game. Remember when they were going to do that with decisive strike? Plus, if you down someone and then they get up right in front of you, pallet or window, you can easily catch up and one hit them. And they screw themselves when they do this.

    I'm saying that their power in wasting the Killer's time is increased a decent bit when their effective hit points (even if only for the first hook) go up from four to five.
  • TheEdgeGamerTheEdgeGamer Member Posts: 24
    edited February 5

    @TAG said:

    I'm saying that their power in wasting the Killer's time is increased a decent bit when their effective hit points (even if only for the first hook) go up from four to five.

    Yes but it'd be easier to down them, because they're broken.

  • ThePizzaGuyThePizzaGuy Member Posts: 7

    @TAG said:

    I'm saying that their power in wasting the Killer's time is increased a decent bit when their effective hit points (even if only for the first hook) go up from four to five.

    But they'd become Broken making it easier to catch/down them. Them getting back up the last time they're about to get hooked is a bit of a game delayer but so is Decisive strike.

  • SlayerSlayer Member Posts: 1,148
    edited February 5

    @TAG said:

    Right, but consider how much time could potentially be wasted at the start by one Survivor without any help at all or without having to wait until the last gen is about to be finished.

    It's true they'd waste the killer's time, but that's what all decisive strike players do. Grab the killers attention and loop them. Once they're down they can decisive strike and run away. Here, they'd be broken for the rest of the game. Remember when they were going to do that with decisive strike? Plus, if you down someone and then they get up right in front of you, pallet or window, you can easily catch up and one hit them. And they screw themselves when they do this.

    I counter ds simply by hitting obsession then not chasing obsession(butcher compensate for that)others gen rushing anyway easy to find them. No obsession ds counters by hooking survivors fast not to mention ds is not free escape. Your NM rework is basicaly free escape combined with dead hard. At the best case scenario when that survivor is going to get hooked 4 gens re going to get repaired if not 5 so your downside wont really be a downside. Your rework is way stronger than ds not to mention that u can take both.
  • CL4P_TRAP_ERCL4P_TRAP_ER Member Posts: 95

    The main part of this perk I want to focus on is the anti-bleeding part of it. I added the insta-up so No Mither could still get you up. How about you can use the insta up action once your recovery progress is at 25%?

    Rework: You no longer can receive hemorrhaging and bleed 50% / 75% / 100% less while injured.
    You can also instantly recover from the dying state by pressing the action button when recovered to 25% in the dying state. However, you will receive the Broken status effect for the rest of the trial. This effect can only be used once per trial

  • ThePizzaGuyThePizzaGuy Member Posts: 7

    @CL4P_TRAP_ER said:
    The main part of this perk I want to focus on is the anti-bleeding part of it. I added the insta-up so No Mither could still get you up. How about you can use the insta up action once your recovery progress is at 25%?

    Rework: You no longer can receive hemorrhaging and bleed 50% / 75% / 100% less while injured.
    You can also instantly recover from the dying state by pressing the action button when recovered to 25% in the dying state. However, you will receive the Broken status effect for the rest of the trial. This effect can only be used once per trial

    I'd be ok with this. It'd still be annoying to use because killers don't usually leave people on the ground but in this case it'd be ok. I'd run Unbreakable, Tenacity and this No Mither so I'd have a better chance. Better than No mither now.

  • SlayerSlayer Member Posts: 1,148

    The main part of this perk I want to focus on is the anti-bleeding part of it. I added the insta-up so No Mither could still get you up. How about you can use the insta up action once your recovery progress is at 25%?

    Rework: You no longer can receive hemorrhaging and bleed 50% / 75% / 100% less while injured.
    You can also instantly recover from the dying state by pressing the action button when recovered to 25% in the dying state. However, you will receive the Broken status effect for the rest of the trial. This effect can only be used once per trial

    Seems balanced
  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 3,734

    @TAG said:

    I'm saying that their power in wasting the Killer's time is increased a decent bit when their effective hit points (even if only for the first hook) go up from four to five.

    Yes but it'd be easier to down them, because they're broken.

    Yes, but by then you've already hit them enough times that under typical circumstances, they'd be one hit away from (most likely) dying assuming they were able to heal up after every unhook.  In total, you'd have to hit them seven times to knock them oit of the game (eight if they happen to hit Adrenaline at the right time), except five of those times are just to get the first hook.

    And all this is assuming you just tunnel the hell out of them until they die.  Suppose you spend 5 hits going for one person, hook them, and then go after someone else.  That was 2.5 hooks' worth of hits just to get one actual hook.  The amount of effort you spent to start your momentum was 250% the time it would have taken under normal circumstances.
  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 3,734

    The main part of this perk I want to focus on is the anti-bleeding part of it. I added the insta-up so No Mither could still get you up. How about you can use the insta up action once your recovery progress is at 25%?

    Rework: You no longer can receive hemorrhaging and bleed 50% / 75% / 100% less while injured.
    You can also instantly recover from the dying state by pressing the action button when recovered to 25% in the dying state. However, you will receive the Broken status effect for the rest of the trial. This effect can only be used once per trial

    I think this seems a fair bit more balanced?  One thing to note is that if the Killer notices that your blood leakage seems to be mysteriously absent, they will probably suspect that you have No Mither and will never let you use the insta-revive.  The question then becomes "Would no blood be good enough if I can never use the insta-revive?"
  • Damon22441Damon22441 Member Posts: 26
    edited February 5

    @CL4P_TRAP_ER said:

    @Damon22441 said:
    This would make it OP. So many times you stun the killer with a pallet and get downed, and with this you can just continue the chase after? No. No instant ups from Dying State.

    You would only get one insta up. And after using the insta up you become Broken through out the trial so it's a double edged sword like Deliverance but for the rest of the trial. The anti-bleeding is the major perk of this idea. It sucks that you have to be Broken in order not to bleed. It makes the no bleeding part of the perk not important and it should be.

    Yes, bleed negation is a good perk idea, but being able to instant revive is absolutely broken.

    @TAG said:
    Consider the following scenario:

    A player being chased eventually gets hit twice and downed, uses Decisive Strike to break free, heals up with Anti-Hemorrhaging Syringe or Styptic Agent, runs away, eventually gets hit twice and downed, uses your No Mither perk to get back up, runs away, is hit again and downed, then is picked up and finally (hopefully) hooked.

    And then afterwards they had Deliverance and safe unhooked previously. Holy lord, the minutes lost to one person being nigh unkillable. 3/4 gens for two hooks. Sprint Burst/Dead Hard, too, if the killer is angrily camping them, buys even more time.

    @ThePizzaGuy said:

    It's true they'd waste the killer's time, but that's what all decisive strike players do. Grab the killers attention and loop them. Once they're down they can decisive strike and run away. Here, they'd be broken for the rest of the game. Remember when they were going to do that with decisive strike? Plus, if you down someone and then they get up right in front of you, pallet or window, you can easily catch up and one hit them. And they screw themselves when they do this.

    They only "screw themselves" if they are dumb and just pop right up with no plan. Getting downed ends Bloodlust, not to mention if they use it as the killer is on top of them under a pallet you get the free stun as well. This only doesn't apply to unloopables, like Nurse and Legion, before the Exit Gates are open.

    Yeah but wouldn't the survivor be broken afterwards AND not have decisive strike AND not have a instant-heal. Same thing would happen if they were still running decisive strike, instant-heal AND adrenaline or a flashlight save or a body block hook. No matter what you'll have to deal with situations like that. In this situation, they'd be broken afterwards. Either way, No Mither does need to be reworked. It sucks right now.

    The point of DS and Styptics are to be used TO escape, not horde them the whole match. If it's used at all it fulfilled its purpose, so who cares if you no longer have it available to you?
    "Same thing would happen if they were still running decisive strike, instant-heal AND adrenaline or a flashlight save or a body block hook. No matter what you'll have to deal with situations like that." Yeah, now imagine having the added ability of picking yourself up. You literally just made an argument against this perk idea.

  • DreadnightDreadnight Member Posts: 16

    I always thought that No Mither only needed a deep wound injury for a few seconds (5/10/15s) when the killer hurts you. In this way, it gives you more possibilities in chases, and we would benefit better from the ability to recover the dying state.

    And it would work well against Exposed status or other instakill.

  • CL4P_TRAP_ERCL4P_TRAP_ER Member Posts: 95

    @Damon22441 said:
    Yes, bleed negation is a good perk idea, but being able to instant revive is absolutely broken.

    We're changing it so you have to be at 25% recovery now to do it. I'm going to edit it right now.

  • Jim_HalpertJim_Halpert Member Posts: 10

    @CL4P_TRAP_ER said:
    We're changing it so you have to be at 25% recovery now to do it. I'm going to edit it right now.

    Can you still get up unlimited times? But it always has to be at 25% recovery?

  • CL4P_TRAP_ERCL4P_TRAP_ER Member Posts: 95

    @Jim_Halpert said:
    Can you still get up unlimited times? But it always has to be at 25% recovery?

    You can only get up once but you'll be Broken. It would not effect Unbreakable.

    The main part of the perk I want to be is anti-bleeding. If they were to rework it this way, I wouldn't care if they left in the recovery thing or not. But I wanted to included a way people could still become Broken with No Mither and the insta-recovery at the cost of being broken sounded like a good addition. But people didn't like it so I adjusted my idea to 25% recovery progress. I want to focus on making No Mither being anti-bleeding without having to be broken to have this benefit.

  • TheEdgeGamerTheEdgeGamer Member Posts: 24

    @CL4P_TRAP_ER said:
    The main part of the perk I want to be is anti-bleeding. If they were to rework it this way, I wouldn't care if they left in the recovery thing or not. But I wanted to included a way people could still become Broken with No Mither and the insta-recovery at the cost of being broken sounded like a good addition. But people didn't like it so I adjusted my idea to 25% recovery progress. I want to focus on making No Mither being anti-bleeding without having to be broken to have this benefit.

    That's the thing about No Mither too. I like the not bleeding effect but it sucks that you have to be broken. So having no bleeding doesn't matter because your broken. You go down in one hit. Plus, the killer knows when you have No Mither because you're broken from the beginning of the game so he or she won't let you stay on the ground. Because they know you're gonna get back up. Having an no bleeding perk would be nice to have. Counters Bloodhound and Sloppy Butcher's hemorrhaging effect.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 3,734
    My question with the current No Mither is why you have to start the trial already injured.
  • ThePizzaGuyThePizzaGuy Member Posts: 7

    Ran this idea with my buddies and they think it's a good idea too. But the recovery thing is too much like unbreakable. Keep the "get up unlimited times once fully recovered" but once you recover once you're broken for a certain amount of time and you can't recover yourself to 100% when you're broken.

  • DreamnomadDreamnomad Member Posts: 1,798

    I actually like the idea. Though I don't think the survivor should be completely immune to bleeding at rank 3. Nor should the survivor be immune to hemorrhage. But I'm on board with the part about picking yourself off the ground at the cost of being broken for the remainder of the game.

  • CL4P_TRAP_ERCL4P_TRAP_ER Member Posts: 95

    The main problem with No Mither is it doesn't help the survivor at all. You can't self revive yourself because the killer knows your running No Mither so he's not gonna leave you on the ground. You make it easier for the killer because he can one hit you at all times. And there's no benefit to running the perk. True it makes it hard mode but for what? You don't get extra bloodpoints for running No Mither and they won't make it give more bloodpoints because Prove Thyself 2.0 does that pretty well already. You can average making 36,000 bloodpoints with Prove Thyself. They won't give No Mither more bloodpoints because you'd make WAY to much from one match with those two together. No Mither is a meme perk and is bad in it's current state.

  • CL4P_TRAP_ERCL4P_TRAP_ER Member Posts: 95

    I hope they rework No Mither either way

  • SlayerSlayer Member Posts: 1,148
    edited June 9


    I disagree i always run no mither in solo play in a team of people with less than 400-500h. That said i use it in a game where i dont play like a team but rather play as a sole survivor who doesnt give a heck about his team. No mither makes it very easy to juke a killer since you drop no blood you make no noise( +iron will ). No mither allows me to compete with other survivors rather than killer.

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 1,624

    So you're basically making it a more useless and detrimental unbreakable

  • limierrlimierr Member Posts: 117
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