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Is getting on top of pallets intended / bannable (map allows it)?

SnapshotSnapshot Member Posts: 775

I had numerous end-game discussions with survivors where I catch them by getting on dropped pallets and thus shortcut the loop (where it is possible, of course). They say it is "unfair" and as a survivor, you do not foresee it and get surprised.

So for example in the areas on the map which are explicitly designed to do so, it is ok I think?

Thanks.

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  • KurisataruKurisataru Member Posts: 447

    To me it sounds like exploiting because you know that getting on dropped palettes to reach survivors is not an intended mechanic and you're abusing it by ignoring the intended play. How many DCs do you get for that?

  • SnapshotSnapshot Member Posts: 775

    For example, on the Clown Map, the pallet below the outer stairs. You just back up, walk up the stairs and drop halfway off onto the pallet. It is placed so to do it, or not??

  • SnapshotSnapshot Member Posts: 775
    edited April 2019

    I think that every killer in the red ranks knows these kinds of spots, as they do it on me too. And if not, they need to step up their game, that is how I see it anyway. But that is, as I said, only found on very high skill level play, like when you played the game for so long

  • NuclearBurritoNuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,203

    I mean if it is a bug then it isn't on you to make sure it doesn't come into play. And if it isn't a bug then there isn't a problem anyways. So keep doing it until something official is stated about it.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208

    There still exist several holes where you can deadhard over it, so I assume stuff like this is intended design

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,398

    Well... it slipped through this isnt really on the player... the team should be held responsible so...

  • SnapshotSnapshot Member Posts: 775

    The problem is, no one but the devs knows for sure, so waiting on confirmation.

  • NuclearBurritoNuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,203

    @Dreamnomad he isn't walking over the pallet like a Legion would. Hes getting to a higher area and jumping down, the location of the pallet sometimes means that when you jump down you happen to land directly on top of the Pallet where you can then simply walk off on either side.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 4,157

    Except it's not as much of a bug as an exploit in map design/tile placement. Like when an unnamed YTer would sit under the drop on grim pantry and keep killers held. It's a design bug, but THEY were exploiting it to an advantage.

    It's absolutely bannable seeing as NOBODY is supposed to be standing on pallets. Survivors and Legion can vault them, but walking on them is obviously not intended.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 4,157

    It's in the devs to fix it, and on the players to not exploit it.

  • SnapshotSnapshot Member Posts: 775

    Technically it is "vaulting", as you do not stay on the pallet, but just go over it to the other side?

  • OGlilSPOOK20OGlilSPOOK20 Member Posts: 563

    It's an exploit, so yes it's reportable.

  • bubbascalbubbascal Member Posts: 318

    Definitely sounds like an exploit, one I have not heard of or seen.

  • bubbascalbubbascal Member Posts: 318

    You can still sit on the pallet and deny a Survivor from using it. Hell, depending on where the Survivor is, you can fall in their direction and hit them before they can use it.

  • SomeissuesSomeissues Member Posts: 1,368

    Jumping onto the top of the pellet is an exploit are people serious?

    It's like saying the same thing with Survivors using dead hard to get to the other side of the area to avoid a hit.

    We Killers can also move in between pellets to stop the pellet from dropping, is that an exploit too LOL?

  • bubbascalbubbascal Member Posts: 318

    Self-elected representative of Killers...?

    And that's not true, Killers can stand between pallets and Survivors will still get the prompt for a pallet drop. I see this used in farming as Survivor and I implement it for Boldness BP for Survivors.

  • NMCKENMCKE Member Posts: 7,264
    edited April 2019

    It's intended but it's very, VERY cheap in the survivors point of view. However, the killer needs to be at a higher elevation and time his lunge perfectly or get severely punished.


    Let's look at the rules of DBD:

    It also doesn't break the game rules because any killer can do that so you're not gaining an unfair advantage. Survivors can predict when you're going to lunge over a vault or pallet so they HAVE counter play. Finally, the developers likely seen that this was already possibility because anyone can get the idea of lunging over a pallet or a vault. It's just common sense to use gravity in your favor, why shouldn't survivors use DH to go over certain gaps?

  • TheRoyalOwlTheRoyalOwl Member Posts: 720

    If it is intended than why isnt it public that it is? Why would they not tell us this is a thing we can do now? Cause it's a bug that people shoukdnt be able to do.

    It's not breaking the rules, you know besides the fact it is because its exploiting a bug, and just because every killer can do it doesnt make it not an expoilt either.

    If every killer had the mend thing like legion, than moonwalking wouldnt be an exploit cause every killer can do it, NO it's still a bug that you shouldnt be using.

  • TtwylerrTtwylerr Member Posts: 88

    So by your logic since any survivor before could land on a spot the killer couldn't reach that wasn't an exploit? Over 3000 posts and you say something that dumb really?

  • NuclearBurritoNuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,203

    @TheRoyalOwl probably because they aren't going to specify for every possible action you can do if it is an exploit or not. Even if they made an exhaustive list of things that are intended to be done there would still be emergent gameplay situations to consider, such as using the plagues vomit for tracking, is that an exploit? I would say that it isn't, and if the devs came out and said otherwise I might even go so far as to directly contest them considering how common a use case it is and how again, no bugs were available to exploit.

    Either way, in this particular case you are just jumping from a high ledge to a low one in order to optimize a route. This is isn't any more of an exploit than simply walking around an unsafe pallet to avoid breaking it is.

    Something the devs didn't explicit consider isn't automatically an exploit. Some core mechanics of some games were unintended, such as wavedashing in melee and skiing in tribes.

  • TheRoyalOwlTheRoyalOwl Member Posts: 720
    edited April 2019

    Yes the somethings are unintention, but that doesnt mean that its not an exploit, any bug that has advantages to it, is an exploit untilits added to the game or confrimed that it's not an exploit. Yes they didnt say it was a exploit, but it is a bug that gives you an advantage over the survivors, SO ITS AN EXPLOIT.

    So stop saying that it's not an exploit by describing it in a way that makes it not look like a bug that has advantages.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    It's considered an exploit however and I've seen killer doing it in game as well as on video and it's basically the same as survivors climbing rocks. The killers on here say exploit for when survivors climb rocks then do the same.


    The devs have stated climbing on the rocks to avoid the killer is an exploit and thus bannable.

  • NMCKENMCKE Member Posts: 7,264

    @Ttwylerr

    That's different, a survivor can hold the game as hostage and it gives the survivor an unfair advantage because the killer can't reach them.


    Fyi, if you disagree with me, you can at least be nice about it.

    @TheRoyalOwl

    I never did this because I can do the same thing with Nurse but without the requirements that other killers need to perform it. It does look fair for regular killers because the killer has to have the high ground, time the lunge, and while the survivor is oblivious to the killer's position. The killer is not gaining an advantage, the killer is just playing smart and using the geography to his advantage. Think of it as a Claudette using grass to camouflage herself.

  • ColgateAdvancedWhiteColgateAdvancedWhite Member Posts: 614

    Killers should be allowed to do whatever they can to secure their kills. This is called "clever use of game mechanics". Otherwise why would the developers put it in the game?


    If they patch it out, all killers need to be buffed to compensate. Don't mess with my 4k

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    No that's called exploiting the same as survivors getting on top of rocks etc to avoid getting downed. If it was something they intentionally put in the game to be used they'd have said hey this is ok now like looping.


    You know kinda like how they've said survivors climbing onto rocks is an exploit and thus bannable if caught.


    Kinda like how this is an exploit of terrain, which I'd been screwing around during this match to see how someone got up here in a different game. I already forwarded this to the devs attention months ago and I'm pretty sure it's been patched.


    You could get to the very front of this and if you had Insidious camp it like a champ because no one would look up to see if killer is camping there.

  • NMCKENMCKE Member Posts: 7,264

    @powerbats

    How does that give you an unfair advantage? Survivors can just rush the generators and run out the door. Yeah sure, you shouldn't be up there but exploiting is when you use a bug to your advantage. I don't see where you have an unfair advantage there so that's okay but I wouldn't sit there for long because survivors could report you thinking you're hacking.

  • KiskashiKiskashi Member Posts: 1,043

    @powerbats I've managed to climb the rock ones to get survivors up there as wraith/shape (lovely getting those teabags directly in your face as you try until you figure it out) but that is next level, did you seriously get on top of a hook?

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    Yeah it's funny when you get them and yes i made it to the very front of the hook several times. I even video'd it to help the devs see how it was done, I was cracking up while doing it too.

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