Freddy/ Wraith hits survivor.
Freddy/Wraith waits by hook.
Freddy/Wraith tunnels survivor as soon as they’re saved.
Freddy/Wraith puts same survivor on hook.
You clearly did not play against my Freddy then
There may be few but I know of some good freddy mains that somehow have mastered him and actually can pose a threat. These are prolly peeps just playing killers you can't see to hope and camp.
I might sleep you, but I won’t tunnel - and I only go back to the hook when I see someone running towards you. Camping is one of the worst things you can do as Freddy, especially when the rest of his kit deliberately encourages Freddy to not camp.
Now Wraiths...it’s indeed very rare to see a Wraith who doesn’t camp or tunnel.
These killers aren't strong, especially Freddy, so they rely on tunneling more than Billy or Nurse. It might also depend on the rank. Rank 15 Wraiths camp more often than those on rank 1.
Tunneling just makes sense.
Survivors already have tools to counter all that stuff, being DS, BT or MoM if you truly hate camping/tunneling
While I agree, both those killers ignore BT so that doesn't help
A good Wraith will not tunnel, he's an ambush killer designed to stalk and ambush his prey. If someone tunnels with him, they're very bad. A good Wraith poses a massive threat at rank 1, and he's got no counter (looping is useless since one cloak and uncloak can force the survivor to drop the pallet) a good Wraith can eliminate pallets quicker than any other killer except Clown and create a lot of deadzones. A good Wraith has chases that are about 20 seconds.
If you're facing tunneling Wraiths, then they're not good at all. A good Wraith can always get at least a 3k because he's strong. A GOD TIER Wraith (@Boss ) can do everything a good Wraith can and end games as well as a god tier Spirit or Nurse. Not in a little amount of time, but they end it FAST compared to the usual (7 mins for me to get a 4k)
What you said about Wraiths dishonours me as a Wraith player.
I disagree with all you said about Wraith and all you said about Freddy too. I'll let @DudeDelicious convince you why Freddy isnt bad.
Yes and No.
Freddy loses his dreamstate on the survivor when they hook so technically their BT is the time it takes to re-dreamstate without the sprint.
Wraith is a bit easier, just start to unhook wait for him to uncloak don't pull them off until he swings then unhook.
Requires a little timing but they still get the borrowed time.
@Poweas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZUQ0T-noM Rank 2 Wraith - 4 escaped, do you have some footage to watch GOD TIER Wraith? I really wanna see, since I play Wraith pretty lot.
Not really. Yeah you gotta wait that transition time but borrowed time is neither activated nor directly ignored so it doesn't affect Freddy at all. The survivor also doesn't get the burst of speed from getting hit. Wraith can time it pretty easily to avoid it too, so it just nullifies it completely. No timing on the survivors part can make BT work against Wraith unless the Wraith isn't considering BT at all and fully uncloaks before the save.
I did say there was no sprint in my original post.
The biggest counter to this? run gens.
Yea it sucks to get camped everyone knows this but it happens and with the state of those two killers i don't blame them.
That's also the reason i run DS, escape and back to the loops they go.
These killers camp because people hook swarm and it works.
If they got 1 kill per game and 3 survivors out the door they would soon get bored of it, but they don't because survivors play into it.
You can see a Wraith near a hook and can hear a Freddy so it's pretty obvious.
Oh yeah, no I'm not denying it's easy to counter. Just that borrowed time is useless against them specifically.
So get this, playing survivor and I happen to bring an alex's toolbox and its against Freddy... yeah you know where this is going. It SHOULD OF BEEN Freddy's own personal nightmare and would have been...if my team wasn't a bunch of idiots who go "OH GAWD! IT'S OP FREDDY! RUN AROUND LIKE MORONS OR D/C!"
A game that should of turned an already laughable killer into an absolute joke became a 4k with zero gens done after 5mins had past and only one done by the time the last one(me) was sac'd.
The only way they could change that is make it so that BT range is based off range and not terror radius like MYC.
If they made it something like a 20 meter radius from the killer instead of TR i wouldn't be against this.
Got i wish i could delete my own posts.
Sabotage doesn't work well unless the team is coordinated. If 0 gens got done it meant no one on the team was doing them. You can't blame your team 100% for the loss
I had game as Clown against SWF sabo team yesterday with 3 Alex's toolbox and 1 instaheal medkit. 3 died as slugs, last one on hook with 2 gens done. When I see sabo team, I dont hesitate to slug and protect my slugs after. I cant recall if it was safe pip or +1 pip, but it's just simple and effective tactic to punish ppl that messes with my hooks.
Brah do they even Breakdown?
I might not agree on some things you said here, but i do agree on some other things, + you put me in such a good spot, i can't be negative at all! 🤩
Thats where you are wrong, only wraiths will tunnel and camp, I found a freddy that did not tunnel or camp
@Frozenscum no, I don't. I've faced a few, and my friend is one. I used to be one, but then again, I used to be god tier with a lot of killers since I only played strictly one at a time, rather than 4-5 like I do now.
I got an example of a GOOD Wraith. Tru3 himself, he's quite dominant as Wraith.
@Boss which ones do you not agree with?
@ClogWench BT doesn't get triggered as long as the Wraith is cloaked and doesn't have a terror radius, true. However with Freddy, BT does work. It doesn't matter if everybody is awake during the unhook, when Freddy is close enough during the unhook, the unhooked person will be protected by Borrowed Time.
Yes, Freddy is that weak.
That'd have to be a bug then. I've played a lot of Freddy and never seen it proc, and by all logic it SHOULDN'T proc against Freddy under any circumstances.
Cant recall, didnt check much their perks, since I hooked only once and it was last person.
Well, Tru3 has different games, he can win with Freddy with 4k at rank 2, and then lose with 1k with stronger killer, all depends how much potatoes survs are. Also in last games as Wraith (if i remember correct) he was using pink addon, which help a ton to achieve first hits. You cant have that one in each game, obviously.
Tbh, Wraith can achieve first hits easily without that addon @Frozenscum I've never understood why he uses it. The devs made it so his bells audio plays halfway through the animation giving the survivors only 1 seconds or something to react 😂😂😂.
I'm not going to bother explaining it to you, since I don't think we'll see eye to eye with this one. Try playing Wraith and you'll understand what I mean. Not trying to be rude, but you have a very valid opinion that I can't see myself being able to counter argue. Just master Wraith at rank 1, you'll see what i mean. Have a nice day.
Looping isn't useless against Wraith.
Preventing the loop entirely is something he CAN do, but once he's there, the best he can do is speed it up.
Only against less-skilled Survivors can you stop a loop once it's going.
I do agree his chases can be very short, thanks to his ambush quality.
I often see a lot of people say "Oh yeah, i saw him from a mile away."
And i certainly do play against such Survivors sometimes.
But that's not cause of them, but cause of the Wraith player.
Sometimes i just cross the field to get to a destination.
But more often than not, i take the side paths.
Their vision is, at most times, obstructed enough by objects to allow me to get in close and get in the first hit easily.
Even if they notice me just a few meters away, the massive lunge after uncloaking more often than not gets in a hit.
And then the chase after that is very short.
Definitely disagree on him being as good as Spirit & Nurse.
MAYBE he comes close to them with the best Add-ons, but those 2 are still better just at base.
Wraith could really use something like being able to swing his weapon while being cloaked, but it'll Lightburn you whether it was a hit or a miss.
It'd be a great way to finish chases.
And the funny thing is that i still don't see that being more powerful than a skilled Nurse.
If i'm missing something on him, so be it. I don't mind learning more. 😊
But this is just how i see him. I only play him because i love how he plays.
So what? They are M1 killers that have no tools against loopers. Are you surprised?