Then we enter a stalemate because the survivors cannot open the gates (EGC kills half of the team) and the killer cannot move (half of the survivors will likely escape). Just like the hatch standoff, whatever side acts first will lose.
Thats not a stalemate. Thats 2 dead 2 escaped. EGC makes it so that the game can no longer be held hostage once gates are open. Thats a 50% survival rate, IE balanced
You can still block people on the stairs, get hits on people and move left and right while the attack cooldown is active to hit multiple people
Literally the only legitimate use case of trapping someone in the basement is an active RBT and you are waiting for it to go off
Even that ONE legitimate use is rare, impossible to force as a killer (survivors can just not finish generators while someone with a trap is on a basement hook) and extremely unfun
That is a stalemate because, for example, if 3 of my teammates are trapped in the basement then I'm surely not going to open the gates and let my teammates die. It's not holding the game as hostage either because I'm trying to save my teammates, just like the old hatch standoff isn't holding the game as hostage (both sides are trying to win).
@NMCKE Yeah a lot of people forget about that situation as well.
It is not just the end game, the killer can go and body block the basement whenever he wants. It is not holding the game hostage because the other survivors can end the game. Blocking basement was just not healthy and bound to be removed, and it happened finally.
I still have sympathy for the killers who used body block to play around borrowed time, DS plays and I am sorry for that but sometimes ######### like this happens.
I didn't mind killers waiting out BT or DS since that process wasn't scummy imo. However, getting sacrifices for doing nothing is not okay; killers should have to put effort in their kills.
If you decide to decrease the killers' hitboxes, you should fix survivors' too, when they are bodyblocking killers in order to save their mates. Make them nearly like Freddy when survivors are not in the dream world.
If you fix killers bodyblocking survivors, you gotta fix survivors bodyblocking killers too. It's either that or nothing. Otherwise, the game will even more unbalanced than it already is.
Comments
That's why I'd add between four to eight Pallets to every map, like before.
That may work well, don't you think? The time would be in the Survivors' favour anyways..
You could revert all the pallet nerfs, and killers still would be able to demolish survivors. @Neprašheart . That includes the pallet vacuum.
@fcc2014
Then we enter a stalemate because the survivors cannot open the gates (EGC kills half of the team) and the killer cannot move (half of the survivors will likely escape). Just like the hatch standoff, whatever side acts first will lose.
I thought we was supposed to stop stalemates?
That's not holding the game hostage though. The game can easily end by choosing not to save the survivor. It's categorically different.
Survivors mindless altruism shouldnt be punishable, the "mains" got their way yet again.
Ugh.
Thats not a stalemate. Thats 2 dead 2 escaped. EGC makes it so that the game can no longer be held hostage once gates are open. Thats a 50% survival rate, IE balanced
You can still block people on the stairs, get hits on people and move left and right while the attack cooldown is active to hit multiple people
Literally the only legitimate use case of trapping someone in the basement is an active RBT and you are waiting for it to go off
Even that ONE legitimate use is rare, impossible to force as a killer (survivors can just not finish generators while someone with a trap is on a basement hook) and extremely unfun
@ba_tetsuo
That is a stalemate because, for example, if 3 of my teammates are trapped in the basement then I'm surely not going to open the gates and let my teammates die. It's not holding the game as hostage either because I'm trying to save my teammates, just like the old hatch standoff isn't holding the game as hostage (both sides are trying to win).
@NMCKE Yeah a lot of people forget about that situation as well.
It is not just the end game, the killer can go and body block the basement whenever he wants. It is not holding the game hostage because the other survivors can end the game. Blocking basement was just not healthy and bound to be removed, and it happened finally.
I still have sympathy for the killers who used body block to play around borrowed time, DS plays and I am sorry for that but sometimes ######### like this happens.
@Delfador
I didn't mind killers waiting out BT or DS since that process wasn't scummy imo. However, getting sacrifices for doing nothing is not okay; killers should have to put effort in their kills.
Right.
If you decide to decrease the killers' hitboxes, you should fix survivors' too, when they are bodyblocking killers in order to save their mates. Make them nearly like Freddy when survivors are not in the dream world.
If you fix killers bodyblocking survivors, you gotta fix survivors bodyblocking killers too. It's either that or nothing. Otherwise, the game will even more unbalanced than it already is.
Agreed, that's why I just said a part.