Yea it’s one of the many reasons I am currently taking a break, they’ve shaped it to fit their narrative it’s disgusting
I'm not for DBD trying to "control" people. But I agree with the OP. Some Fog Whispers, are heavily killer focused, even the ones that play some or even half survivor. I've commented before to the killers that it's difficult to watch them for all their complaining. They play well, well, when they aren't camping, but even while they're 4k, they're whining about survivor perks. It's a bit much and I don't think they should be fog whisperers.
I believe that by weighing the input of killer mains who constantly 3x 4x and still whine about survivor's perks is a big part of the reason we've been seeing so many survivor nerfs and killer buffs the last several updates. Just look at how long it was to fix legion, and how quickly they are trying to change MoM. Again I'll say it, MoM is balanced as is, and not even that good. DH is more useful, and can negate a into the dying state attack every 40 seconds. I don't even use either at this point.
lol no they didn't.
I have zero clue whats happening in this conversation.
What is a "Fog Whisperer" And why does it matter if someone is one or not?
I understand the part where people care about their opinions on subjects, but that's as far as I got with this from reading all the comments.
U completely missed my point, but still try to act as if you can look deep inside my intention of that. U don't even know which streamers I'm referring to lol.
Fog whispers are a representation of the devs but also of the community. They are in between. They provide informations to the devs directly of "how the mood is" and what can be changed or not. That's why I have the issue that they picked biased mains.
I would really like to talk more directly, say names, link clips etc but 1. I will get banned here cuz the name and shaming rule
And 2. I don't have to much time doing all the work for nothing (in case devs don't react to that) but just wanted to make a reminder to the devs that they should investigate more deeply to choose certain people as fog whispers and should try to pick people who play both sides equally.
@HavelmomDaS1 And off of what you said, I feel the entire conversation about this situation seems like two sides clashing against one opinion.
This all sounds... messy.
@HavelmomDaS1 No, I got your point. You presented it rather well. I said you were wrong. What streamers you were referring to was immaterial honestly. I can see though why you did not understand my disagreements with your stance. I will try to explain it a different way.
In terms of looking at an issue, you will always have three sides, the biased one direction, the biased the other direction, and the middle ground. In terms of something like DBD, having all three sides or views is a good thing. Having biased survivor main and killer main views gives you the extremes. Having the "unbiased" or those that play both sides evenly gives you a more moderate view. You can then look and compare what is said from all three vantage points and pick a direction to move with game changes and/or balance.
I agree the fog whisper program never should have been implemented. but as to people in the program and the views they express that is their view and they should be able to express them. if you do not like the views they express just go find one that has similar views as you do and support them.
@FireHazard Fog whisperers are generally streamers chosen by BHVR to promote DBD and they often get privileges such as meeting with devs to discuss updates, game codes etc. (correct me if I'm wrong)
It is generally believed that those who play (or may want to play/are new to) DbD watch one of these streamers (at least) and hence they should be held partly responsible for promoting a healthy environment (not promoting toxicity hahaha right...) in the game (which is near impossible when biased)
Here's a link explaining it a little: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19925/fog-whisperers-pilot
@Kiskashi Thank you for the information, i'll be sure to read up on it.
I disagree with that. I don't need heavy biased survivor mains telling me that everyone should have one insta heal as Base kit to know that insta heals can be broken. Or the other way around from killer mains.
@FireHazard All good, it's actually surprisingly difficult to find info on here about them despite the numerous threads discussing them (often not in a good way, for good reason). I just remembered the call for expressions of interest (linked above) when it went live and know who most of the streamers are now.
A mod actually confrimed the agressor here was Detective in the discord chat logs, it seems they were not happy in a game and initially started by going to the persons stream and starting to talk derogatory about them, then the viewers started on them in the chat and they tried to pull the victim card, their friends (other streamer mentioned) simply stuck up for them, tbh they did nothing to warrant someone coming in and being rude when streaming, the Detective then went onto other some channels and did the same.
If you go to a stream and start doing that its never going to end well, its quite a silly thing to do in all honesty and then to try and play the victim in the saga made it worse for them.
The thing is BHVR new these people long before this program.
They sit in their rooms chatting to viewers and also sub to them.
Those people never starting changing due to being part of the program, they have been this way from the start and yet BHVR still chose them.
It's a clear indication that it does not matter what anyone thinks as BHVR knew exactly what and who they were getting.
Those who were picked have long promoted the game nothing else, they were also the reason the game took off like it did as they didn't really advertise much anywhere else, so a large portion of the player is probably here due to watching some and then spreading it to friends, I myself found the game when I stumbled accross pug one night.
New players seeing them isn't going to change that fact, they have brought huge amounts of player in by keeping it up high in the twitch listing.
So why does having a Fog badge on them suddenly change that? If anything most new players won't even know what the program is and will make the choice to buy or not still not knowing.
It's a back and forth argument which will go nowhere as I stated BHVR knew these people for a long time well over a year or two before selecting them
I see, I see. All interesting bits of information.
I just like being caught up on things so its good to know about this stuff regardless if I don't watch them (Or any streamer really tbh.)
The only ones i watch now and again is Morf or Hybrid panda tbh.
The others can be overly toxic for my liking but they are generally nice and have some good points when discussing parts of the game.
I like Legion <3 and Ace <3
It has nothing to do with censorship. Literally nothing. It's just asking the developers not to promote toxic Ideas and bad behavior.
Anti-vaxxers are just expressing their opinion, but their opinion is harmful and not grounded in reality. This is what OP is talking about when they say that the Fog Whisperers need to be good role models.
Being incredibly biased to one side and bming the other side is not an opinion that deserves respect or deserves promotion. And it is not censorship to refuse to promote them.
Fog Whisperers do not need to play both sides or have completely unbiased opinions. They are free to play what they like and share their opinions. Not everyone is going to see eye to eye on everything in an asymmetrical game, that's to be expected. We're not looking to change that and cherry pick people with certain opinions- if anything having a variety of opinions and personalities is a good thing.
With that in mind, though, for those mentioning toxic behaviour, please report that to us. We'll look into it. In terms of bans, they are subject to all of the same rules as anyone else, and if they're promoting negative behaviour, we will warn them and cut ties with them if need be. Hopefully it won't come to that, but we do have a code of ethics that our Fog Whisperers are expected to follow.
@SenzuDuck Freedom of speech and expression is the right to say your opinion, It doesn't mean anyone has to respect, listen to, or promote that opinion.
Especially because the opinions are harmful and promote tribalism. Regardless of if they are "toxic" or not, some of them actually act in poor faith and bully other players. The argument "It's always been toxic and always will be" dosen't mean we can't do our best to improve that.
tell that to the one hacking game files to have infinite addons.
Oh wait, they’ll probably just get a slap on the wrist 😂
We have checked each one to make sure they have not cheated prior to bringing them on. If you believe we made a mistake an missed something, you are more than welcome to report them and we'll take a look.
What is the appropriate way to report them? What additional information should be provided for Fog Whisperer reports?
If it's something they're doing in-game, you could always create a ticket and attach any information we'd need here: https://support.deadbydaylight.com/hc/en-us
Otherwise you could contact a CM through the forums, Discord, or Steam and we'll get back to you as soon as we can.
Then why is this a thread about trying to remove certain opinions because they don't fit ops opinions?
"There is one killer main (he himself claims not to be biased and plays both sides equally) who literally complains about everything a survivor has or does. And yes, he complains about dead hard, BT (while camping for over 1 minute) and DS (after rework).
The craziest thing about that: nearly always Nurse with meta perks getting pretty consistent the 3ks and 4ks at the end.
From the survivor main sides it's pretty equally biased. "oh he has spirit fury, what a noob" or "BBC and CHILL cuz u can chill and win" etc while using all 2nd chance perks, insta heals and in a 4 men swf group on coms. Oh dear, if the killer manages to sacrifice one of their mates he's an absoluty sweaty tryhard who just plays to win without having fun. But when they all escape they make jokes about the killer how bad he his."
IF you read the post, none of that has ANYTHING to do with "Toxic" behaviour, and is purely someone stating their opinion, but they should be removed from the fog whisperer program because of that?
Additionally, what is toxic behaviour? As I clearly mentioned earlier, it is a poor tool for measurement as EVERYONE has different opinions of what toxicity is, some find t-bagging toxic, while I do not, some find flashlight flicking toxic, while I do not. The only real toxic things in this game is abusive chat at end game & hacking/exploiting. Nothing else that can be done in game is toxic, and if none of the fog whisperers are doing such things then none of them should be removed.
TL;DR - Nothing said in the main post has anything to do with toxicity, but everything to do with opinions, we should not be removing fog whisperers for their opinions, which is what this thread really is.
@HavelmomDaS1 I can't say that the fog whisperer picking is perfect. What you've stated is just them saying their opinions, which is totally fine. Everyone has their own, and if we tried to make everyone think their own ways, life would be dull, tiring and lame.
However, I can't say I disagree with the point that some fog whisperers need to go as some of the fog whisperers WITCH HUNT (I got you @Detective Jonathan), insult and just bully some players. Which is bad, considering fog whisperers are supposed to promote the game, bring in more players and make it seem more fun. All they do is make it dull and send away newer players.
Basically, to summarize all of that, I think that Fog whisperers is a good way to bring in newer players, but some of them they've chose behave disgustingly and insult and witch hunt people. BHVR needs to find some more non-toxic fog whisperers like Tru3Ta1ent, Puppers and so on. I won't name the bad ones, as that is naming and shaming.
I would have personally kicked out the toxic ones tbh. @SenzuDuck
Again, what is "toxicity" far too many people on this game get upset with survivors for using flashlights every game, or tbagging, or saying "ez" in end game chat. It's all part of online banter, and if you want people to removed for this there is absolutely no hope for you online.
Missing something wouldn’t be a surprise
also thanks @Poweas appreciate it 😂