They were perfectly fine the way they were. I don't understand why they've done so many minor tweaks to vaulting over the past few patches at all. They're still not bad but I just don't get the point. They already required a fair bit of skill to pull off in a lot of scenarios but they seem intent on making a lot of those impossible.
what a horrible change. it's literally a bandaid fix for those problematic windows instead of actually addressing them. now all the other fair loops suffer from it
Why? To re-enable the infinites? As a survivor main who has been playing a lot of killer for the blood hunt, I can say this was a good change. You can loop it a couple times, but after that you gotta boogie somewhere else.
jungle gyms suffer hugely from this change and it removes variety from how you can loop it, making it much easier for killers despite jungle gyms being mindgameable tiles
it dumbs down chases in general
it almost makes shack much weaker if there's a generator in it
Play killer for a while. Your mind will change. I mean actually play killer, and notice how strong infinites are. Everyone here should do that instead of parroting what all your favorite survivor main streamers are saying. They are remarkably biased and abuse these infinites on a daily basis.
So, play killer for a while. Not at rank 20, not at rank 10. Get to at LEAST purple ranks. Find out why this change is a good thing. If you say you did, and you didn't, we'll know you're bullshitting because you'll still think otherwise. If you're good at survivor, which isn't hard, this shouldn't matter to you.
I havent hit anyone through pallets today, and once the fast vault animation starts the survivors apparently become immune or something because i havent been able to hit them that way either
literally any loop with a window that isnt part of a broken setup like disturbed ward building or iron works window. OP has a good example there too. u could still get a fast vault before if you timed it well and were patient enough, it wasnt even something anyone could do on a whim. it rewarded players who put in the time to learn it
Specific examples, please. L walls, T walls, and most jungle gyms etc won't be affected by this. Some jungle gyms may, but that just opens the door for more mind games. Get better at mind games instead of hitting W and Space.
Survivors literally get nerfed every patch and killer mains are still crying because they suck and don't wanna learn the game so they run bamboozle and complain about [BAD WORD]. Like wtf is that change 4 walls are basically even worse now and shack now becomes worse too.
r u okay? did u even watch the clip he posted? or read what I said about patience and timing? u could use this skill on every window to wait for the absolute last second to determine if u wanted to vault or not. and id say it limits the amount of possible mind games because you can more easily judge if a survivor can fast vault a window or not, and assume if they have the distance needed to make it
I did watch the clip; and that's how it should be. You should not be able to fast vault at an angle to abuse infinites like that. You should need momentum to do that. Period.
Stop parroting your favorite survivor main streamers. They have no clue what balance is for the most part. They see it from one side and one side only. It does NOT limit mind games - it just makes mind games actually take a brain. So, get yourself one of those if you don't have one already, and you'll adapt. Stop looking for ez games ez life. Learn to survive without your infinites.
Ask many people here. I could name a few. I used to think just like you - and then I stopped being ignorant and played killer. I even got to rank 1. Survivor is the easy mode of Dead by Daylight. They hold a massive advantage over killers. That's not even debatable. Killer takes ridiculous amounts more skill than survivor.
This is how the game was intended to be from the start. This isn't so much a change, more than a fix. The fact that you were able to exploit the game mechanics and still do those fast vaults was actually not intended.
Yeah, i was about to say that. Why do you still using the word infinites?? we are not talking about infinites . We are talking about getting a fast vault on simple windows like shack or jungle gyms.
Now, if you want to talk about infinites, i can run the Strode house with BL , and even if i get a medium vault on those windows , the killer wouldn't be able to catch me.
So no, infinites have nothing to do with medium, slow or fast vaults.
Which you don't need to do. It makes no sense to get a fast vault from 2 feet away with absolutely zero momentum. The shack IS an infinite.
This new change is ALWAYS how the game was intended to be. They essentially just patched the mechanical exploit that allowed people to do it anyway. Get better. Adapt.
You can't loop the shack infinitely. You need two vaults or a long enough loop that allows the window to unblock itself or consistently break chases. The shack does not have this. Bloodlust, entity blockers, and mind games easily stop the shack from infinite use.
This is why I was skeptible when people kept saying this change was to prevent infinites when the same people kept calling the Cow Tree an infinite.
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They are fine the way they are now.
Killer mains: THE DEVS NEVER LISTEN TO US!!
Devs: Literally removes one of the only things you can use to your advantage as survivor
Killer mains: OH MY GOD SEE!!!
So the Killer Shack is now more in favor of the Killer.
EDIT: Lol, i didn't expect to see the upvotes beat the downvotes.
Just.... why did they even change something that didn't needed to be changed?
I don't remember ANYBODY complaining about the fast vaulting positioning and how strong it was prior.
this was changed for no reason and it's just about as devastating as i thought it would be
They were perfectly fine the way they were. I don't understand why they've done so many minor tweaks to vaulting over the past few patches at all. They're still not bad but I just don't get the point. They already required a fair bit of skill to pull off in a lot of scenarios but they seem intent on making a lot of those impossible.
what a horrible change. it's literally a bandaid fix for those problematic windows instead of actually addressing them. now all the other fair loops suffer from it
I agree 100%
What a ridiculous change.
Explain why. I bet you have zero clue what you are talking about.
Agreed
Why? To re-enable the infinites? As a survivor main who has been playing a lot of killer for the blood hunt, I can say this was a good change. You can loop it a couple times, but after that you gotta boogie somewhere else.
"One of the only things survivors have to their advantage"
You must be new. The advantages survivors have far outweigh that of the killer. Not opinion. Demonstrable fact.
That's actually what I'd say to you. Can't survive without your little window infinites?
Tell me, what "fair" loops will suffer from this? I'm dying to know, lol
totally agreed
Edit: Ignore this plz. I jumped the gun and I feel dumb about it :P
jungle gyms suffer hugely from this change and it removes variety from how you can loop it, making it much easier for killers despite jungle gyms being mindgameable tiles
it dumbs down chases in general
it almost makes shack much weaker if there's a generator in it
Play killer for a while. Your mind will change. I mean actually play killer, and notice how strong infinites are. Everyone here should do that instead of parroting what all your favorite survivor main streamers are saying. They are remarkably biased and abuse these infinites on a daily basis.
So, play killer for a while. Not at rank 20, not at rank 10. Get to at LEAST purple ranks. Find out why this change is a good thing. If you say you did, and you didn't, we'll know you're bullshitting because you'll still think otherwise. If you're good at survivor, which isn't hard, this shouldn't matter to you.
They fixed hitboxes, at least i feel that
I havent hit anyone through pallets today, and once the fast vault animation starts the survivors apparently become immune or something because i havent been able to hit them that way either
literally any loop with a window that isnt part of a broken setup like disturbed ward building or iron works window. OP has a good example there too. u could still get a fast vault before if you timed it well and were patient enough, it wasnt even something anyone could do on a whim. it rewarded players who put in the time to learn it
Specific examples, please. L walls, T walls, and most jungle gyms etc won't be affected by this. Some jungle gyms may, but that just opens the door for more mind games. Get better at mind games instead of hitting W and Space.
I've hit people through pallets today.
Survivors literally get nerfed every patch and killer mains are still crying because they suck and don't wanna learn the game so they run bamboozle and complain about [BAD WORD]. Like wtf is that change 4 walls are basically even worse now and shack now becomes worse too.
r u okay? did u even watch the clip he posted? or read what I said about patience and timing? u could use this skill on every window to wait for the absolute last second to determine if u wanted to vault or not. and id say it limits the amount of possible mind games because you can more easily judge if a survivor can fast vault a window or not, and assume if they have the distance needed to make it
I did watch the clip; and that's how it should be. You should not be able to fast vault at an angle to abuse infinites like that. You should need momentum to do that. Period.
Stop parroting your favorite survivor main streamers. They have no clue what balance is for the most part. They see it from one side and one side only. It does NOT limit mind games - it just makes mind games actually take a brain. So, get yourself one of those if you don't have one already, and you'll adapt. Stop looking for ez games ez life. Learn to survive without your infinites.
Ask many people here. I could name a few. I used to think just like you - and then I stopped being ignorant and played killer. I even got to rank 1. Survivor is the easy mode of Dead by Daylight. They hold a massive advantage over killers. That's not even debatable. Killer takes ridiculous amounts more skill than survivor.
This is how the game was intended to be from the start. This isn't so much a change, more than a fix. The fact that you were able to exploit the game mechanics and still do those fast vaults was actually not intended.
You need to, as some would put it, "git gud".
man, you really aren't willing to discuss this in good faith at all and it shows
the fact that you just called shack an infinite pretty much invalidates any balance contribution you could ever give anyway
Yeah, i was about to say that. Why do you still using the word infinites?? we are not talking about infinites . We are talking about getting a fast vault on simple windows like shack or jungle gyms.
Now, if you want to talk about infinites, i can run the Strode house with BL , and even if i get a medium vault on those windows , the killer wouldn't be able to catch me.
So no, infinites have nothing to do with medium, slow or fast vaults.
Ok, case closed @miaasma
Which you don't need to do. It makes no sense to get a fast vault from 2 feet away with absolutely zero momentum. The shack IS an infinite.
This new change is ALWAYS how the game was intended to be. They essentially just patched the mechanical exploit that allowed people to do it anyway. Get better. Adapt.
You must be new, the killer shack is not infinite. Maybe you aren’t a good killer? I doubt you’ve seen the main buildings on most maps.
The fact that you provide no context otherwise shows that you both know you're wrong, and that there is no version of this where you win this debate.
I have nothing to discuss with someone who consider the shack as an infinite.
You can't loop the shack infinitely. You need two vaults or a long enough loop that allows the window to unblock itself or consistently break chases. The shack does not have this. Bloodlust, entity blockers, and mind games easily stop the shack from infinite use.
This is why I was skeptible when people kept saying this change was to prevent infinites when the same people kept calling the Cow Tree an infinite.