Why? Give a reason on your thesis.
Honestly, I haven't experienced much changes with vaults after these changes. Still feel as usual for me, when I play survivor. So hard to say, if something feels off or not. But to be honest, I would prefer it, if problematic loops get reworked in a way, that they are more enjoyable for both sides than just changing them in a way, that they are only usable in one direction. For me it kinda makes such loops an automat, that doesn't give much choices to both sides, how to play. Because there is only one way to approach them.
So we need to revert the ability where Survivors could fast vault a window with no leg room just by going 90 degrees from it?
Why? You shouldn't have been able to fast vault certain windows that were impossible to do so in the first place.
You block people who play spirit. You don't get to call other people bad. Pipe down.
Can you actually provide any kind of tangible argument other than "lol ur bad" Mr. IblockSpirit Players?
Again, I don't play Killer, but I'm able to recognize nonsense when it appears. And the shack is nonsense.
I'd like for you to actually be able to prove I'm bad.
Oh wait, you can't, because I stream every game I play and I pip up literally almost every game, even when I die.
I think assuming pipping is in correlation of someone's skill is evidence enough
I think his statement can more be taken as implying pipping not requiring much skill. He's pretty obvious in implying that it's easy for survivors to pip.
Do you have a better way to gauge someone's skill? Because guess what, if you do, it's irrelevant.
The win condition in the game is currently whether you pip or not, since you can pip while dying.
Further more, at the high ranks, you need a minimum of three Golds and one Iridiscent Emblems just to get a single pip.
If you seriously are saying you can do that consistently, great, you're a good player.
Otherwise, if you can't maintain your Red Rank, it means you are lacking in your skillset in the current state of the game.
Simply doing gens and escaping is not enough to pip up at the Red Ranks. You must also get at least 2 saves and do at least a minute chase or longer with the Killer.
So, yeah. I'd say I'm fairly good at the game, especially when Survivors are complaining that it is TOO HARD to pip.
If your argument is simply "you're bad at the game" you actually have no argument. That's an ad hominem.
@Paladin_Goo It's not infinite, m8. An infinite is a loop you can notcatch up to at all.
BTW I still like this change, but I just don't think killer's shack is a true infinite. Except maybe to T1 myers.
O O F.
wow pipping as a survivor? nevermind, discussion over, i'm talking to a seasoned professional
i'm not getting anything from you guys other than "actually shack IS an infinite" so no, i'm not going to say anything other than i'm pretty sure you guys just suck
I can't believe I'm agreeing with what's probably bait, but @miaasma is right. Killer's is not an infinite. It's a mindgame loop, you just gotta catch them offguard. And most killer can catch up if you optimally run the loop.
So you're telling me you can consistently get 3 Gold and one iridescent Emblem at the high ranks? Are you actually saying that the Survivors that are complaining about it being too hard to pip are just whining then?
It isn't hard to pip at low ranks. Have you actually maintained your Red Rank? Can you prove you have with a stream?
Have you ever noticed when I disagree with you, I never simply say you're bad at the game? It's because I generally assume most people on these forums are halfway decent.
However, if you can't even get to Red Ranks you have no business saying that pipping doesn't show skill, when you have to get at least 2 saves, run a chase for longer than a minute, do at least 3 gens, AND survive the trial just to get a pip.
You're saying most Survivors can do that on a regular basis? Lol
And actually, I have provided several reasons on how it is an infinite. You're just ignoring them. Try reading my posts again.
We've both been over it and explained why it's considered an infinite. We've given examples backed up by logic. Literally all you've done is call us "bad" and say "nuh uh!", and block us when we play spirit. Shame. For shame.
i'm rank 3 right now and i die almost every game because i play like a boosted idiot
pipping is not hard
you guys are bad
i'm not going to offer more than that to anyone deluded enough to think shack is an infinite, sorry
So you're Rank 3 because of SWF? If you're boosted, then that means your team is carrying you. Also, if you cannot increase that Rank to 1, it means you have stagnated and aren't improving your gameplay, since Red Ranks require more stringent requirements. Try playing solo.
Sounds to me like if you're dying every game, then you are getting Silver or worse in the Survival category. This means you need to get at least TWO Iridiscent in order to make up for that Silver Emblem, meaning it's even HARDER to get your pip if you die.
If no one gets hooked, then say goodbye to your Benevolence and the possibility of getting a pip. If you're hooked, you aren't doing gens, and you're failing your chases.
I highly doubt you are able to get Red Rank without playing with SWF.
If we're bad, we would be with the majority of Survivors at Ranks 12 and upwards.
You still can't provide any evidence that the shack isn't an infinite besides "ur bad."
I'm fairly certain you're just trying to bait us into saying something stupid so you can get us banned because you dislike us.
i play solo queue dude
i pip almost every game provided i don't get tunneled or one hooked
you think shack is an infinite because you are bad at the game, point blank, i'm sorry if this is hard for you to swallow
All your reasons explaining why shack is an infinite is incredibly flawed. There is zero logic behind them. I have been playing since Winter 2016 and have never once in my life considered the killer shack an infinite, because it isn't. A chase at shack should take you no longer than a full 40 seconds if you know what you're doing. It seems you're someone that vaults the window 3 times and giving the survivor even more vaults and distance, instead of actually mindgaming the structure.
An infinite in DBD is a window that you chase the killer around FOREVER, making it impossible for the killer to hit you or catch up to you. The only infinite in the game is using Balanced Landing on the Myers house, if you know what you're doing. 99% of Infinites were removed when bloodlust was released. The only time killer shack has ever been an infinite was when it had 2 windows in the Beta version of the game (thank god that no longer exists). So please, stop calling it an infinite. It is considered a strong loop, but not an infinite.
If you still think shack is an infinite, you're bad at the game.
You block spirits, though; and you call other people bad. Seems legit.
You literally just said you die nearly every game.
It's nearly impossible to pip at Red Ranks if you die unless you also get two Iridiscent emblems, which you likely aren't getting if you died.
Yea, it's definitely just me being bad despite the fact that nearly everytime I use the shack I never get window blockers nor do I get hit unless I make my own mistake.
Sorry it's hard for you to swallow that your only saving grace is gone from the game with the vault changes. Guess you'll have to adapt like the Killer players 💁♂️
you think dying prevents you from getting two iridescent emblems, what? dying literally only affects survival. the rest are easy to get even if you die
this whole conversation is super embarrassing for you honestly
Of course it doesn't, I never said it didn't. Please provide where I said that.
I said it's much more difficult, nearly impossible, not impossible. So you're telling me that despite getting Silver Unbroken, you are still able to get 4 saves, complete 4-5 gens, AND lead the chase on a Killer for longer than a minute? I somehow doubt that, unless you managed to only die at the very end of the trial. But since you say you play like a boosted Survivor, I assume you probably die halfway through the game like most boosted Survivors.
You can't get Benevolence if no one else gets hooked aside from minimum heal points or useless Sabo, So if you die first, there is 0 way you are pipping up.
Considering if you die super early you will only get Bronze Unbroken, you'll have to get THREE Iridiscents to get your pip, I honestly don't see people who die pipping up at Red Ranks very often.
Of course, feel free to provide screenshots, or video evidence to prove me wrong. But we both know how much you are allergic to evidence that doesn't support your wild claims.
it's literally nowhere near impossible
i never said i died first, i just said i died
jesus christ this is a lot
I never said you died first either. I simply said IF you die first, there is no way you'll pip up. That's it. Never claimed you always die first. Bait harder.
Man, context is really an important factor when you're speaking with someone bro.
Also, again, I shouldn't take someone who actually blocks Spirit players seriously. Anyone that dodges based on a Killer, especially Spirit, clearly lacks mindgame potential.
You won't provide any shred of evidence or logical reasoning for anything you say.
This is literally bait to try and get me banned, and you're doing a very poor job at it. Enjoy knowing I'll still be around.
uh i don't care if you get banned dude i'm just telling you that pipping as survivor is piss easy and so is running shack as killer
if you have issues with either of these things you either don't care or you aren't good at the game
I mean, it took you what, 2000 hours to get to Rank 1 judging by your time played and when you earned Rank 1?
I don't think I need to worry about what you consider skillful.
Its a healthy change to encourage smarter play. You can still do it but if timing is off, the mistake is yours.
This guy gets it.
2000 hours to get rank 1? how did you possibly come to that conclusion lol
i guess you can just make stuff up to fit your narrative whilst parroting shack being an infinite if it makes you feel better about being bad at the game
How do you run shack as a killer? Also, why do you believe its an infinite? Genuinely curious