First SWF needs a lot of nerfing in order to be balanced. Second, no one has a problem with one loop the problem comes when there are 2 or 3 loops so close that the survivors can run there and have no danger.
Griefers don't care about their strategy being weak. They only care about making sure one or more people have the most miserable time possible, preferably with a disconnect. Mori spam is only good for that exact purpose. It is a scummy thing to do.
if you think making survivors want to DC is a "strategy" i would highly recommend taking some time away from this game
They always have been and the survivors have the power to punish both strats and make them non viable.
Of course the emblems mean punishing is bad for survivors but it is what it is.
Look dude point blank my objective is to kill you. I'm not letting an injured survivor off the hook period. If I find you, I will at most down you again. If there's no DS, I'm most certainly going after that hooked survivor to down and rehook him. I'm not letting you escape period.
If you piss me off, I will camp you. I don't care about rank anyways. I want you out of the game and I will make sure you are out.
I mean, the primary objective of any game is having fun.
Obviously no one should get reported or punished for camping or tunneling, but I firmly believe it's the devs job to make game design changes that punish antifun strats as much as possible.
Yes, this also includes making depip squad strats less optimal too because no one likes facing survs that spread out around the map and finish gens before you can do anything.
Punishing that stuff should be a game design thing not a player behavior thing.
cancelling the animation a couple of times itself is not griefing, no, but doing it enough to the point where somebody feels like they have to disconnect is griefing
@Peanits , think we can get some clarification on BHVR's stance regarding mori cancelling on someone until they disconnect?
@TAG I thought you were so sure of your point of view. I respected that. Sure @Peanits give us your opinion
To clarify: I agree that spaming UNTIL a survivor disconects is surely griefing. Failing to complete the animation a couple of times and they incidentaly disconect before you can complete it is not. Are you telling me that all those pre-nerfed Legion players were grievers? I don't think so
I am, but you seem to not listen to people who are not of authority.
You have admitted that you are trying to get people to disconnect. What you are trying to do is griefing.
Oh look at that as soon as a mod is mentioned you start damage control. Too bad you admitted to trying to get people to dc.
I don't deny that it serves my objective if a survivor disconects early in the match. If I can subteltily trigger that response on people who are prone to that, I will. Be it start the mori animation a couple of times, hit them when they are on the hook, camp them, etc
"If I can subteltily trigger that response on people who are prone to that, I will. Be it start the mori animation a couple of times"
Pretty sure that is griefing.
Why does everybody hate slugging?
What is so bad about it?
There is nothing wrong about it if you are playing as killer.
It makes it harder for survivors to escape if there are only two of them and you slugg one so you deny the opening of the hatch. That's why it is hated by survivors
Of course. I'll use my deliverance so the killer can insta-down me cause he's literally right next to me. How could I not see that.
Your feelings are just that though, your feelings. You feel its scummy, but objectively it isn't as if you've played killer enough you understand that Bubba can't really handle the large maps this game is known for. He's always been more of a defensive killer so basement plays are highly optimal for him. He's really the only killer that benefits from using insidious. People feel it ruins the gameplay experience, but objectively this sort of scenario is what the game on paper was expected to create. People would really benefit from playing both sides and seeing the entire picture.
Why is facecamping in your opinion unfair and "normal camping" fair? What is even your definition of fairness?
Tunneling isn't wrong camping isn't wrong their in the game so they are valid tactics calling tunneling and camping wrong would be like calling looping an exploit.
I wouldn't say that these being legit strategies makes them fair.
But it's not your job to be fair.
It's like using instant heals. It's unfair but you should do it anyways because why wouldn't you? Unfair does not mean "OMG toxic and stupid!" It just means not fair. As a gamer playing a video game it is your job to make the game as unfair as you can for your opponent in order to counteract him trying to do the same.
Asking if something is fair or not only matters in the context of making changes to the game, it is meaningless for questioning player behavior.
Is the bleed out timer active during mori spam?
Pretty sure everytime the killer spams it the timer is paused.
it's overpowered, toxic and frustrating to play against
im doing it too because using it as a strategy do get a momentum
but it sucks and shouldnt be a thing tho
I personally mori spam with the nurse at rank 2, move my head up and down, hit the last survivor on the hook while i say yes with my head, i write gg ez after every match. As a survivor (rank 3) I t-bag, especially at the exit gates and point at the killer but i never ever ever dc because i don't like it.
I do what I have to do to win. I play as different killers. Playing the same ones over and over is boring. I'm Rank 4 right now. I switch to Billy, Spirit and Nurse against SWFs but then I go back to rotation if only 2 are SWFs. I don't follow rules that someone else dictates if they don't really exist but it's formed to make my life hell.
I've said it before, if I just hooked 1 person 2-3 gens are already done and BBQ tells me all 3 are on gens far away and my Ruin is gone, I'm camping. You just took my ability to 3 hook everyone away. I'll take my loss and try for a 2-man. Usually what happens, I get hook swarmed and end up 3-4 manning instead. If 1-2 gens are left, Ruin is gone and no one is dead, I'm tunneling the ######### outta someone.
I refuse to lose horribly for being nice. If you DS me after I hooked 1-2 other people and managed to get you still in the 60 seconds, I'm tunneling and camping you to death. You got your free escape. I try to be fair but if it comes to me getting steamrolled, well, I can be a pretty wall to your escape, Bud.
Are you like 12 years old?
If you have a perk like insidious, you have to respect camping, there's a few situations where camping is more than fair, it's a legit strategy.
The first situation where I think it is fair, is when the generators are powered and the killer has just hooked someone, especially if the killer is having a bad game.
The second situation, is when a survivor is hooked in the basement.
The basement is a killer's feeding ground, it is the one area of every map that survivors should avoid being close to. So if a survivor is hooked in the basement, you have made a serious mistake to end up there.
Bubba's basement is a viable strategy, sucks for survivors, I know. But if I end up hooked in the basement, I can only blame myself for being close to it in the first place.
Tunneling is annoying too, but there are perks to counter it (Decisive Strike, Borrowed Time etc.). It depends how well I am doing as a killer for me to decide whether tunneling if worth it, but if a survivor unhooks someone and I am less than 20 metres away, then I will definitely down the injured survivor. I might not hook them though again though, depends how well I am doing.
First the counterplay you can win a camper but not a face camper ( especial a doc face camper). Second, you can call camping when the killer hooks you between 3 gens.
So in the end fairness is the number or counterplay for me, for you?
I agree mori spam is wrong...
Thou I'm not beyond using all the pallets on the map out of chase just cause...
Mori spamming is considered as holding the game as hostage. Why?
Imagine you was going to mori spam someone for 30 seconds, just for fun. The survivor who's being mori spammed might think you're going to do this for hours - they don't know how long you're going to mori spam. Therefore, they DC out of fear that you'll hold the game as hostage.