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Am I wrong or the dream world of Krueger is useless now?

NiitoskyNiitosky Member Posts: 329

I read that they forgot to mention that now krueger sends you directly to the world of dreams every time he hits you, but what good is it to send into the world of dreams if there are no debuffs? all debuffs on progress rates are canceled, so what would be the advantage for krueger to send the survivors into the world of dreams?


p.s.: in my opinion the power to put fake pallets should be implement it in its power and not in a addon..

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  • GuertenaGuertena Member Posts: 391

    They said will have debuff add-ons for Freddy, plus there's the Dream Snares or Ghost Pallets. I don't know if Freddy will see survivors' auras in Dream State, but to wake up you gonna need fail a skillcheck, showing you location for the killer, and if you take these clock boxes will increase the time to wake up others survivors by interacting with them. And in Dream State there's no terror radius, only the lullaby, so it will be hard to know where is he coming. I kinda liked the rework.

  • DarkGGhostDarkGGhost Member Posts: 1,072

    If they sleep you allow to use your power. This is very bad.

  • NiitoskyNiitosky Member Posts: 329

    how does the reduction in teleportation cooldown and the traps (that are visible and so the survivor have to just avoid), are an improvement over the previous dream world where you had a debuff on all action speeds + see aura of survivor?

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 4,290

    One thing you have to keep in mind is this change has the possibility to level out the game so they could look at how to slow it down aka the gen rush for all.

    Let's be honest his whole power was to slow the game down which hurts slowing it down overall for all killers.

    You also have to think about the annoying rng part of his power if they get out quick or the tedium of it when you dont and why he wasn't used much or liked.

    The potential this opens is there. We just need to see if anything becomes of it.

  • NiitoskyNiitosky Member Posts: 329

    how does the reduction in teleportation cooldown and the traps (that are visible and so the survivor have to just avoid), are an improvement over the previous dream world where you had a debuff on all action speeds + see aura of survivor?

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 3,893

    @Guertena

    The dream clocks don't increase the time to wake somebody up. They give you 30 seconds of immunity before you start passively falling asleep again.


    Increasing time to wake someone up seems that every time somebody wakes you up from the Dream World the next time someone tries to wake you up it's going to take longer up until 16 seconds.

    For example if Neo goes to David to wake her up. The next time she's put asleep and goes to Claudette to wake her up it's going to take longer.

    The wake-up penalty seems to be only attached to the character that gets woken up


    The only downsides to staying in the dreamworld are

    1) You're susceptible to dream snares and dream pallets

    2) Freddy will get reduced cooldown on his teleportation for every person that is in dreamworld. 15% per dw survivor for a maximum of 60% if everybody is sleeping or 80% with add-ons

    3) you become susceptible to the addons that will reduce your action speed

  • tehshadowman33tehshadowman33 Member Posts: 939

    This sounds like a bad tradeoff.

  • SkemoooSkemooo Member Posts: 193

    can you still see auras if they are asleep like before? if so then thats a positive aint it?

  • ReddRedd Member Posts: 826

    I think they are aiming to make every killer somewhere around a "viable M1 killer" level; and then they hope to balance the game so that M1 killers are viable.

    It's just going to feel bad in the meantime when the rework we've been waiting 2 years for might be unusable at red ranks without rare high tier add-ons.

  • fluffymareepfluffymareep Member Posts: 634

    Won't it still have negative affects while a person is asleep? It's also passive and allows Freddy to hit people even while they're awake. People need to stop treating this like a nerf. It's like they don't even know what that word means.

  • BongbingbingBongbingbing Member Posts: 1,423
    edited July 2019

    The only negatives to being asleep will be that you're effected by the dream snares and pallets, there's no action speed penalty anymore.

    Personally I don't think it's a nerf, He's definitively going to be stronger but I'd say he'll end up mid-tier at best. Waking up is just too easy so I think he'll be getting looped pretty hard.

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 6,805

    The more people that are asleep, the faster Freddy's Dream Projection (teleport) recharges. If you decide not to wake up, you'll also be at risk of hitting a trap all the time rather than only after getting hit once.

    On top of that, there's a good amount of add-ons that slow action speed for sleeping survivors, so you definitely won't want to stay asleep the whole time.

  • AshleyWBAshleyWB Member Posts: 4,062

    @Peanits can we place fake pallets in weird places like inside another pallet or all beside eachother in a building or do we have specific locations we have to use?

    Is there any drawback to the survivor dropping a fake pallet.

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 4,290

    Did you read the post?

    I will simplify for you.

    The game can go too fast and people want another objective.

    One killers whole power is to slow everything down which hurts the possibility of another objective or will need to be nerfed if it happened making them even worse in the long run and more tedious to play as and versus.

    I won't comment on the new design as I haven't tested him out yet and will give feedback when I have on what I think may be weak or strong.

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 6,805

    Only pallet spawn locations (i.e. places where pallets CAN spawn, not just where they did spawn), and not inside one another. Placing them anywhere would be a little silly since experienced players know where actual pallets can spawn.

  • BismarckCaneBismarckCane Member Posts: 73

    First 4 minutes of the game, power through the first 3 gens ( Freddy will be stuck in Trapper mode, trying to plan a few of his traps out.)

    Even with shorten teleport times, he will have to chase someone, odds are that with a hit, the chase will last 30-40 seconds at the fastest time. in the meantime power through the gens. (even with a slow effect). You should be able to get a 4th gen done.

    On the last gen, you may want to clear if you can to allow for a faster action speed on the last gen and gate.

    Until The Dev's default bigger slowdown effects as a base kit to killers like Freddy or Plague, survivor meta is to not cleanse the effects so that they hold back power and get more survivors out.

    Suggestion in testing is to listen to Red Rank killers and survivors. Balance to rank 4-5 as you want to balance the play to people improving with time and thus we wont have another killer that is trash at purple and red ranks.

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 6,805

    Freddy is able to place traps during a chase without slowing down. He does not need to place traps in advance like other killers.

  • FeelsVeryBadManFeelsVeryBadMan Member Posts: 197
    edited July 2019

    I am honestly surprised that the Devs still didn't give up on Killer Mains. Y'all are never happy with anything, it's honestly sad.

    (why did the Devs remove the down-vote button? I want to see how many Killer Mains would down vote this lul)

  • DarkGGhostDarkGGhost Member Posts: 1,072

    Why do you think devs help killers more than survivors ?

  • WolfPad06WolfPad06 Member Posts: 182

    I hope one of the Ultra Rare Add-on is converting the Snares into Blood Pallets that hurt the survivor if the throw it down.

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