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Is BBQ and Chili too OP?

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  • NoShinyPonyNoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    BBQ is balanced. It has a nice effect, but this effect has several counters. If it weren't for the bonus bloodpoints, I would use another tracking perk.

  • altruisticaltruistic Member Posts: 1,074

    For everyone saying you can hide your aura.

    This is true.

    Time and time again I’ve seen, “I didn’t see anyone on BBQ. They must be nearby, I need to stay close to the hook.”

    Then you have a killer staying too close for a save, if they’re saved then the Killer will *USUALLY* chase the injured one.

    The BP is fine, I guess. But the auras are a terrible design.

  • TeambossFlozeTeambossFloze Member Posts: 1,260

    I don't think it is OP at all - is it good to use with Iron Maiden?

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,732

    Short answer: No.

    Long answer: Not on it's own, and even then the effects are negligible. It's a good perk to have, but it isn't amazing. I will admit I use it on most of my killers, but the main reason is because the BP bonus is too much of a incentive.

    I already dislike camping, so a perk that promotes leaving the hook is nice to have when I know where to look. The perk has enough counterplay as it is, and only people who don't know how to counter it or who are absolute potatoes will be affected by it. So it's not op, but it certainly helps.

  • CoffengMinCoffengMin Member Posts: 862

    yeah, but they wont admit it

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 3,270

    BBQ n Chili makes it VERY easy for a killer to find a survivor.

    I never used to use it because I liked to be able to find survivors without a tracking perk, but after using it for the first time I can see why people opt to use it. It saves you the time to go find a survivor, which is a big deal.

  • JESUS_CHRISTJESUS_CHRIST Member Posts: 313

    If you patrol the map you get a good idea of where things are going on anyway so I haven't used it for a while. Well until using the new fred yesterday and it was mostly because I didn't have other perks for him that'd I'd rather use and I needed BPs to get them. The gens I planned on teleporting to before bbq popped were usually good calls but it saved me from wasting time here and there. I feel like whispers serves the same purpose considering people aren't in the same spot by the time you get there most of the time anyway and Whispers works all game.

  • prayer_survivorprayer_survivor Member Posts: 626


    "BBQ promotes leaving the hook to find new survivors ". That's not true. If the kiler don't see you sometimes he wait near the hook. Also, if I want to be seen I can do a rush action, a fast vault or I can run towards the killer, but I do it when I want.

    "It has a clear requirement to use". Not true. Hook someone is not a requirement. If it were true, MoM has requirements too.

    "BBQ isn't even the best tracking perk". BBQ is by far the best perk in the game. No killer or survivor perk is half good than B&C.

  • OnionthingOnionthing Member Posts: 469

    Oh look another nerf BBQ/NOED post. :)

  • RydogRydog Member Posts: 3,160

    If there were no BP incentive, I would probably run Bitter Murmur or Rancor in place of it, or just rely more heavily on Discordance.

  • SnakeSound222SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 3,942

    BBQ is a pretty strong tracking perk, but it has multiple counters. You can hide in a locker, run Distortion, hide behind a gen aura, get within 40 meters of the Killer, or try to mindgame the Killer with the aura. It also discourages camping. If you're playing Survivor, would you rather have the Killer stay near the hook because they don't know where everyone else is at or have them leave and let you get saved because they saw where another Survivor is at?

  • LaakeriLaakeri Member Posts: 833

    BBQ was asked by survivors to stop camping. It can still create awkward situation if all survivors decide to hide their auras so killer has no incentive to leave hooked area or auras are shown at the other side of the map in rotten fields or red forest.

  • vampire_toothyvampire_toothy Member Posts: 381

    My wording clearly stated "promotes", not "guarantees", if you want to hide your aura so the killer stays by the hook then that's the price you pay rather than having someone actively distracting the killer. Another important thing to note is that if the killer camps then you can just hammer out generators with little to no risk involved at all.


    Secondly, hooking a survivor is a requirement for the perk to work because the only way to activate BBQ is to hook a survivor, there is absolutely no other way to get the perk to work. One other clear difference is that BBQ's requirement rewarded a killer for doing their job which is to hook and kill survivor, similarly to how adrenaline massively rewards survivors for completing their main objective. Old MoM had a requirement but it was unhealthy because it rewarded survivors for failing to escape the killer and had absolutely no counterplay for most killers.


    My last point is that you probably aren't that experienced with killer if you think BBQ is the best perk killers have by a long shot. It's a really good perk, but whispers, infectious fright and the enduring/spirit fury combo are way better in general in my personal opinion and in my own experience. Although, some perks that have good synergy with a killer's power can also be better than BBQ as well (think MYC or Corrupt Intervention on Hag, nurses calling on Huntress or PGTW & Thrilling Tremors combo on Freddy).

  • fly_172fly_172 Member Posts: 78

    I think we have too many counters to it for it to be considered OP. Lockers hide auras, being within the range prevents it from revealing you, distortion (tho I don’t think you should have to run one perk to counter another specifically), not to mention the mind games if the killer does see your aura, such as backtracking, walking then running, predicting cutoffs, there’s just too much for you to do for it to be OP. Yes, I and many others run it mainly because of the bp, but it’s not useless either. Auras matter when survivors don’t take advantage of the counterplay, but even in the cases where the survivor is in an open field with a billy streaking down towards them, that’s not an unwinnable scenario and won’t happen every game. I get the concern and am glad it’s a discussion, but it’s not OP, at least not that I’ve seen.

  • RakimSockemRakimSockem Member Posts: 1,251

    Not OP at all. I play as if every killer has BBQ until I can justifiably say otherwise and I just go the opposite way of where I'm moving after 4 seconds

    I just wish survivors had more USEFUL perks that boosted bloodpoints. For example, I think We'll Make It and We're Gonna Live Forever should be combined into one perk. Double healing off the hook AND a bloodpoint boost for saving someone.

    That's just as fair (and that's being generous) as the benefits of BBQ that gives you a crap ton of info on top of the bloodpoint boost. (Who is far away, whether someone is close to justify camping, if someone is near your totem or digging in a chest making them an easy pre-occupied target).

  • HeroiqHeroiq Member Posts: 1,101

    it's used mostly for the aura, but it's really based on the killer.

    the lower the killer's mobility is, the higher the chances of him actually using it just for bloodpoints.

    for example, a hag (without mint rag) will probably be using bbq for bloodpoints, while a billy will mostly be using bbq for the auras.

    a lot of people here will probably be saying that " we're only using it for bloodpoints "

    but the sad and unfortunate truth is that when they don't see anyone, they'll usually camp the hook thinking that everyone is close.

    and if you suggested a nerf, you'll probably get a response like " OmG wTf yOu wAnT tO nErF a pErK tHaT hElpS tHe sUrViVoR bY eNcOuRaGiNg tHe kiLLeRS tO sToP cAmPiNg!, iT's aCtUaLLy hElpINg yOu 4Head! " or etc.

  • GuertenaGuertena Member Posts: 337

    well i actually don't think so, but it is good to farm points

  • sluc16sluc16 Member Posts: 271

    Don't know if is too op or not, but as a main survivor player, i like the fact that bbq and chilli encourage killers to not camp, and that's good enough for me

  • ASAPTurtleASAPTurtle Member Posts: 968

    In what way is this a post about someone complaining that BBQ is broken and needs to be nerfed. Cause I really can't tell if your joking or not.

  • LordGlintLordGlint Member Posts: 6,350

    @Asap12200 The OP specifically asked for a nerf, even saying the word "Nerf".

  • MrsPiggyIsSoSneakyMrsPiggyIsSoSneaky Member Posts: 571

    Might as well say the perk monstrous shrine is op

  • t6nutt6nut Member Posts: 3

    No they don't really. Depends of the map. But most of the time the killer will get to you, if you run then he will easily spot you, if you walk then he will just scan the are and still find you. 90% of games this [BAD WORD] perk is on every killer. I'm not talking about high rank tryhards but more casual middle rank. "But you can counter it easily blabla do this do that" - The problem is this dictates most of the games when you presume the killer has it and you are a fkin clown trying to make bbq&c jukes etc. Why let the game revolve around 1 fkin killer perk.

  • QuolQuol Member Posts: 685

    It's not OP but it is very useful. It doesn't break the game but the utility it provides is among the top.

  • H3xB0rr0w3dT1m3H3xB0rr0w3dT1m3 Member Posts: 183

    you mentioned you mained Billy correct? Well he’s one of the few killers who actually greatly benefits from BBQ cause of his amazing mobility. On other killers it just tells you where survivors are and they have plenty of time to leave the area. Not to mention. The perk has at least 3 or 4 counters that survivors can easily use to confuse killers of their location or deny the usage of the perk all together

  • GoodBoyKaruGoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 6,398
    edited July 2020

    July 2019.

    This thread is a year old.

    But if we want to keep arguing about this, if BBQ is an issue here are things you can do:

    - Hide behind a gen

    - Get within 40m

    - Hide in a locker

    - Use Distortion (limited uses)

    - Run away

    - Fake run away and 180

    - Fake run away and walk

    - Be very very far away so the killer wants to go for everyone except you

    BBQ rewards the killer for playing well and incentives them not to camp and tunnel survivors. BBQ is a perfectly fine perk.

    BBQ. Is. Fine.

  • Yung_SlugYung_Slug Member Posts: 2,193

    Useless? Absolutely not. But the BP gain is more important. Without it, it definitely wouldn't be meta. There are plenty of other aura perks to use, but they don't double your BP gains.

  • ReinamiReinami Member Posts: 1,146

    This.


    If it didn't give BP, i'd use something else, like thrilling.

  • Dead_by_GadflyDead_by_Gadfly Member Posts: 3,774

    Same, as far as knowing where to go next TT is better

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