3-man Swf on Temple of Puke. They are fine with names being shown they played fair and hard. Had perks and items. Coms and still couldn't win. Apparently base nurse is just balanced.
Rotten Fields; Dc on third hook will never understand why.
This completely misrepresents my views.
It's a distraction and they're trying to get us to defend positions we haven't even expressed. It's classic baiting: you're provoked with blatantly outrageous claims, your position is portrayed as something different to how you expressed it but you answer because their rebuttal of it is the same as their previous replies.
Then rather than argue with specific facts and reason, they've come out with this nonsensical 'fite me, i'll take u on m8' as if playing some KYF games mean anything.
Reading back through the thread; they've taken nothing on-board. My OP is meant to address every typical point of argument that has been used recently in arguing for Nurse nerfs, yet they just ignore it and think all it takes is to repeat those same talking-points.
Thaznar seems to be currently taking an enforced break, I hope they're using it to read more carefully without having the temptation to immediately start typing a reply. The 'short version' misrepresentation of my OP would not have been written if they had.
I do not believe 'Nurse is fine'. I do not believe 'because of a bug Nurse was weakest killer'. I do not believe 'nerfing Nurse is not needed'. All Thaznar needed to do to understand what my views were, was actually read them in the OP.
However, survivors do fail to adapt, it's just in this case there was actually some justification for it and they might not have been able to even if they realised the significance of the 1.9 changes, as I aknowledge in my post right at the end.
That survivors do not know what they want(and the devs must stop listening to them) is another matter which I do not bring up in my OP. However, the inability of people to sustain their attention long enough to actually read what amounts to just two A4 sheets of text can reasonably argued for excluding anything they have to say from feedback.
These arguments are hilarious.
The same people saying Nurse is fine because brand new rank 20 players struggle with her, also claim the game should be balanced around the highest rank Survivors.
The amount of bias is hilarious.
Survivor double standard at its finest, hillarious.
When did I say Survivors shouldn’t be? Both sides should either be balanced around the best players, or the new players.
Horvath said on the dev stream specifically that they would only be looking at her addons. Not at her power itself. So base Nurse will be fine.
Except he didn't?
The Nurse is the only skill-based killer, and nerfing just means hindering her and the player.
SWF´s with voice comms can still get the gens done and escape, i dont know where people see a problem actually.
Considering that one of the biggest complaints in the game is the gap between solo survivor play and SWF, I don't think it's healthy if you NEED to be a SWF to escape against the Nurse.
Being SWF with voice comms is the best thing survivor can put on the table.
Being a good Nurse is the best thing a killer can bring on the table.
When the best thing a killer can bring on the table cant compete with SWF´s anymore there is a problem.
And being a good Nurse requires more than downloading teamspeak.
And when the Nurse is nerfed to fit solo survivors, how you compete against SWF´s, (which is the majority of the playerbase) in higher ranks?
The thing is, this game offers a solo role and a team role... when you are solo, its your problem if you play the team role... when you have no friends like me, play the goddamn Nurse (or Trapper) yourself and stop complaining :)
Why is Nurse judged and evaluated at her highest potential whereas survivors are not?
its like playing counterstrike with a f... gamepad, asking for mouse and keyboard players to get a artificial disadvantage to stay competititve.
You play solo survivor? Dont complain...
And Peanits said on this forum they will be changing her base kit "slightly"
False. It's already been shown time and time again. Fake news.
What has been shown?
SWF's is not as common as you think it is.
LOL devs have posted stats showing it is over 50% and they have posted stats showing it at 70% of all matches is SWF.
Sure, 50-70 % is "not as common as you think"
too funny when even the devs stats prove you wrong. Here's my advice, do a test, comb each lobby and see who is in SWF, youll see at least 50% of your matches contain them, usually more than 50%
I was writing a long and convoluted reply but your posts are generally so trolly here I'm not gonna bother
The number of people who didn't actually read the OP and just keep parroting the points covered in it is quite telling.
I mean, what OP is implying is pretty false. Things definitely don't need to change in any game to be perceived as too powerful over time. That's just not the nature of games like DBD.
I think you dont reply because you can´t give a proper answer... It doesnt make a difference who asks a certain question.
Why is the Nurse judged on her highest potential and survivors are not?
Do you want a fair game overall? Balance around competition...
Do you want a game that is artifically balanced for casual players? Balance around solo survivors...
If the Nurse gets nerfed you can basically just play the games intro in every trial because the game becomes like a interactive M1 movie...
It doesnt matter if everybody or nobody plays SWF. You balance games around the highest possible potential, everything else ends up in an artificial mess like DbD is right now.
Here's the thing.
I've said this before. Nurse won't be butchered. There is NO WAY her kit is anything below "absurdly strong" unless if they rework her from the ground up.
The only meaningful changes will be to her add-ons, which are overkill, even against SWF, if the Nurse player is at the highest level. A small nerf to her base kit, which probably won't happen anyway (they said "slight changes", it will probably be something to accomodate the new add-ons) will NOT put her below SWF in balance most likely. Thus balancing Nurse around the highest level, even the current highest level for survivors, is probably either power neutral or slight nerf-worthy.
Then you can just buff the other killers and buff solo survivor.
Secondarily, there is no way to nerf SWF meaningfully without 1. altering core mechanics, which will mess up EVERYTHING ELSE or 2. make SWF-specific changes, which will also mess up everything else because their code is disgustingly intertwined.
We don´t know the changes yet, all we know is that the devs tend to not play their own game.
You arguments are based around "IF´s"...
How many Nurse players can actually perform that well to compete against 4 SWF´s with voice comm, meta perks and toolboxes? Lets say 5% of all Nurse players which would be like 1% of the playerbase? And i said compete...
Yep, nerfs are definitely needed here.
I am not asking for SWF nerfs, because there is the Nurse as she is right now to deal with that.
Some people are playing solo in a rank 20 team and get butchered by a decent nurse and immediately screaming for nerfs, thats the problem.
Dude, YOUR arguments are based around IFs.
I'm only going based on what was said.
We had 2 different sources saying 1. changes to the add-ons and 2. changes to the add-ons and SLIGHT base kit ADJUSTMENTS.
Paranoid people are just assuming she's going to get butchered, while I'm going on facts and on what the devs have said.
No, BHVR's "history" isn't an argument here. They haven't issued a MEANINGFUL nerf for free for quite some time now, and the Freddy rework, unlike what many people say, was a pretty significant net buff.
Just chill and wait ffs. If they end up wanting to nerf her too hard, I'll be right there protesting with yall.
I mean bro it's not hard. I rarely play nurse and yesterday survivors were literally trying to loop me. Yes, loop me. I 4K them all and I was using a pad. Nurse stats are inflated at high rank because of potatoes.
in defense of 5: survivors might have gotten worse but so did killers, ruin and bbq made their job so much easier i feel most cant play without them
not to mention all the nerfs to survivors when there were a lot of killers who didnt really have a big problem most the time