Mint rag + Rusty shackles is not ok
Leonardo1ita
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This is just my opinion.
I think this build is insanely unfair for the survivors, because it allows the hag to "camp" at a distance (You have to use this build with make your choice), here's why:
So you down and hook a survivor, place a trap right in front of the hook, go more than 32 m away ,and now these are the possible cases:
-1: the rescuer rushes the hook.
In this case wait and see if he commits the rescue (the trap won't make the phantasm spown) and don't try to grab him, because the grab can always fail, instead make him do the rescue and down them both with make your choice (remember that borrowed time won't trigger). If he doesn't commit the rescue just teleport before the trap disappears, and push that survivor away , but anyway DON'T LET HIM SAVE THE HOOKED SURVIVOR WITH BORROWED. So in this case the survivor has rushed the trap, so I think this can be kinda fair.
-2: the rescuer doesn't rush the hook
I think this is the dirtiest case, because it actually punishes the survivor for doing the right thing and being altruistic when the killer is far away.
So if the rescuer doesn't rush the hook the trap won't trigger...but you can always press LCTRL. So the rescuer commits, you teleport and down them both, maybe before 5 seconds.
I really think this build is unfair, gross, and overpowered. Once you've hooked somebody you can go all over the map, patrol gens without really chasing survivors, and wait until the fish takes the bite. No mindgame skill, you just teleport , even across the map, and slaughter them. The only counter are the flashlights, which rank 1 survivors usually won't bring in the match sacrificing a toolbox or a medkit
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Here are some of many counters:
gen rush
Use Urban Evasion
use DS
use Unbreakable
use a flashlight to get rid of traps
Oh yeah, loop.
Yeah I'm sorry but while I see your point this argument is..a tad hollow..
Flashlight...........
And its a ULTRA RARE.
You can counter a complete killer with ultra rare addon.
With a good dam FLASHLIGHT.
How unfair is it?
Oh, you have power from the entity.
The god of evil.
The most powerful creature.
Here is a flashlight,sir.
And yes I hate the flashlight mechanic.
Gen rush doesn't prevent the hooked guy to get killed, urban evasion is useless against mint rag (teleport to the trap whenever you want, WHEREVER YOU WANT), for ds you just slug the rescued survivor, the suspect of unbreakable is another reason just to stay there to patrol them both and just hook the rescuer, flashlights don't always spown in chests, neither in all matches
So using two add-ons plus a perk is..unfair? So using synergies is unfair now? Come on, guys.
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Why is this empty? I mean, even against a nurse with omegablinks there's some kind of mindgame during chases, but here it doesn't exist. You just press LCTRL and it's done
How do you counter Ultra Rare insta heals?
With a perk.
Does you use this perk all the time?
But I cant find a perk in a chest.
Survivor can find a flashlight in a chest.
yeah, it isnt complained about a lot because of how rarely people actually do it, but it is pretty dumb.
You can lobby dodge ANY tool that would counter your Killer loadout. Not just as Hag.
Two; it's still counter-able. EASILY counter-able.
I'm just tired of seeing '<x> is somewhat good as a Killer. Better remove/nerf it!' on these forums. It seems to be a theme that if something can kill more than 1 Survivor every 5 games, someone somewhere will want it changed/removed/nerfed.
Gen rush, destroy the traps with a flashlight, run, pop the trap and wait for it to disappear, then save. 3 counters.
You don't counter rescuers with instaheals using Franklin's demise
Flashlight man..its a gamble sure but they spawn quite regularly , plus if the hag is waiting for this she loses , so theres that, not to mention shes losing both her very rare addons and a perk which is on a minute cooldown for this , wont work consistantly at all
Hag sees multiple flashlights. Hag dodges lobby.
I guess switching Killer would also mean this build is OP, since they'd be avoiding the flashlights working on Hag? 🙄
Survivor find flashlight ingame
So, the counter is purely luck based. Noice, good game design.
Alright then, you all say that flashlights completely counter this build...what if I state they actually don't? This is true.
You just need to set all your traps near the hook, and once you hear the survivor destroying just 1 of them, just teleport to the hook.
And now what? You are face to face with the rescuer, who can NOT try to rescue if he doesn't want to get grabbed. And this only if they have a flashlight
Like we've said. Hag loses if she does this..she has no gen defence , plus you can bait her
Then you spent 40+ seconds placing every trap near 1 hook. That's half the repair time of 1 generator, done solo without a toolkit.
That's 40 seconds 3 Survivors are doing gens while you scribble in the dirt.
But heaven forbid a Killer's power allow then to stop an unhooking, apparently. I had someone call me a camper recently for using my Hag power to protect a hooked Survivor, and they were too stupid to crouch or clear the trap. Repeatedly.
But it was MY FAULT they kept falling for it, according to them.
All right, folks! Pack it in! Killers are no longer allowed to use their power to secure Hooks! Just stop hooking Survivors! It's apparently OP to secure kills now!
If she uses all her traps at hooks, then her counter is simply : loop her. Seriously, how do you get downed by a 110% speed killer who doesn't use her power to actually down you. Her traps are anyway more unreliable in chases with Mint Rag then without it. If she places multiple traps, you can also just switch the place with the person on the hook, while the other 2 survivors do gens.
- The only tough part is downing the first survivor. You can always use your traps, and if when you hooked a survivor you already placed a lot of them, just replace them all if you think they can have a flashlight, and make so that all traps placed while chasing disappear. Placing traps takes 2 seconds, so it's a maximum of 20 seconds.
- Skilled killers won't allow you to rescue another survivor without getting grabbed in this case.
Trip the trap and wait for the Hag to teleport. Then unhook with borrowed time.
Or better yet, unhook from the side to avoid tripping the trap immediately. Yes you can still teleport to it but this way we get a head start and can avoid a free hit.
This strategy doesn't work. The hag teleports and you are now face to face with her. If you try to unhook she will just grab you
If you keep replacing your traps, the gens are gonna get down.
There are ways around that. Sometimes literally.
You're literally just going to keep making up counters to any suggestion made. It's not possible to discuss with someone who just want to push and push and push to be right instead of accepting opposing viewpoints.
Oh whats this?
Oh its hags counter no matter what
Ok, but you keep another survivor there doing nothing. And replacing just 3 traps takes only 6 seconds
So tell me one of them