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Keep saying this over and over... but it has to be done asap.



  • MochanMochan Member Posts: 2,886

    Forget the last chapter. Sadly it's been three years since this issue has been happening.

  • AvocetAvocet Member Posts: 284

    Devotion is not the best metric to use for this either. What if you've only played survivor up to this point and you're Devotion 1+ but then you decide to try killer?

  • NoShinyPonyNoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    @Kilmeran I wanted to play SWF about 12 hours ago. Waiting 20 minutes to get a match. We managed to play 2 matches in 60 minutes and gave up after that.

    The rank disparity aside: Everytime when there is a significanty increased amount of players, you can't play on console because queue times for both roles become insane. Happens everytime when a new DLC drops or there is a free-to-play weekend or an event, reliable as a clockwork.

    Obviously the reason must be that BHVR's servers can't handle the increased amount of inquiries. Beats me why they don't solve this problem.

  • DreamnomadDreamnomad Member Posts: 2,837

    New players on survivors will always be crushed by killers. The reason is simple. The learning curve for survivors is higher than the learning curve for killers. For example, when I first started playing the game the first killer I attempted to play as was Hillbilly. I wish I kept the video as something to laugh at now. I did everything wrong.

    I didn't use the chainsaw as a way to get around the map and couldn't land a chainsaw attack to save my life. So I just started hitting survivors with the hammer. I didn't know jack about the game. I didn't understand how I could club a player with my hammer and put them on a meat hook and see them running around and healthy again a few seconds later. I was a Hillbilly that didn't even use his chainsaw and I was still getting 3ish kills a game.

    I agree with you on a fundamental level that newbs shouldn't be going against experienced players. I don't think rank resets should ever drop players below rank 15. But even if they made those changes a lot of players will find surviving difficult at first. The game really isn't for everyone.

  • KilmeranKilmeran Member Posts: 2,904
    edited September 2019

    @NoShinyPony Well, damn, it's going to be a double-whammy on console, then. Free weekend ends sometime tomorrow, but the sale continues until Wednesday, and then Thursday starts the Bloodhunt.

    So . . . what other games do you have in your library that you and your friends can play? I'd seriously consider those for the next week or so.

    I'm on PC. I prefer Killer simply because I've tried, but I find survivor boring. I also play Solo, which makes survivor doubly boring. None of my friends or family will touch the game because of the deranking to manipulate the matchmaker on top of the idiotic grind + bloodweb RNG combination. Well, outside of the sister who tried it, but that experience has already been discussed.

    Anyway, come the Bloodhunt, I can probably forget about playing my killers, just like every other bloodhunt, unless I want to play PC Gaming Lobby Simulator.

    Kind of makes me thankful that Behavior not fixing the matchmaker before leaving for the weekend turned me back onto Overwatch. At least I'll have that to play.

    Unfortunately, that also means their lack of action this weekend and me having to go play elsewhere has likely made it so that I'll end up playing DbD less than expected moving forward, and therefore spending a hell of a lot less money on the game. Because their next big patch, the mid-chapter patch, launches the Rift and Archives into the game. And I have absolutely zero confidence the game won't be completely screwed once again the moment they send that live.

  • NoShinyPonyNoShinyPony Member Posts: 4,570

    @Kilmeran I'll reply on your wall to not derail the thread.

  • justarandyjustarandy Member Posts: 1,711

    He was specifically talking about people having 1k hours and being in brown ranks

  • justarandyjustarandy Member Posts: 1,711
    edited September 2019

    I'm just saying that this is 1% cuz these ranks are locked and you can only get there by not playing for months. Uninstalling because of 1% smurfs is overreacting.

  • justarandyjustarandy Member Posts: 1,711

    Yeah, exactly that was the point I was trying to make. This game doesn't even have a ranked based matchmaking, what would his friend do when he gets demolished 10 hours straight by more experienced players? Uninstalling aswell? Apex is just one game if many who hasn't a ranked matchmaking. That's why I said maybe he should stop playing pvp online games all together.

  • xEaxEa Member Posts: 2,396

    We are talking more about 99% then 1%. No, i am not exaggerating. Our example played 3 days, no Killer or Survivor he could check had less then 300 hours, some had over 2000. I am his wittness, was watching him quiet a while.

  • FriendlyGuyFriendlyGuy Member Posts: 2,768

    It's not about smurfs, it's the matchmaking, but k then.

    Learning a game shouldn't be super frustrating in my opinion.

  • MushwinMushwin Member Posts: 3,722

    It is getting ridiculous now, and baby killers or those in the game are more likely to dc and well in a way who can blame them going against such ranks.

  • whammigobambamwhammigobambam Member Posts: 921
    edited September 2019

    Do away with the current 1-20 rank and make it 1-10 also match lock 11-20 for solo Ppl who have never progressed to 10. There are some really skillful killers out there teaching these survivors how to be optimal and there are killers out there that don't try hard. It would be nice to play with like minded individuals.

    As for playing in a swf group and you just started playing the game, if there's a rank 1-10 player in the group enjoy playing in the rank 1-10 lobbies.

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  • BongbingbingBongbingbing Member Posts: 1,423
    edited September 2019

    Separating new from experienced players in an Online PVP is extremely important.

    I wish matchmaking took hours into consideration even just a little, Maybe achievments or Kill/survival rate and not just rank because honestly the ranking system is pretty bad and there's usually big differences in skill level. There's probably not enough players for that though.

  • xEaxEa Member Posts: 2,396

    I would rather go with some default games you have to play before you even rank. 20-30 games should be a good number.

    After that, Rank 20-16 is exclusive for new players. No possible way to derank, after you have reached 15+

  • KilmeranKilmeran Member Posts: 2,904
    edited September 2019

    @justarandy But you're wrong. DbD is supposed to have ranked as matchmaking. The Dev Team vehemently claims that the rank system is in place because it is their matchmaking algorithm.

    The fact that it fails to function even remotely as they claim is because of the asinine monthly resets and the deranking without punishment, which is precisely why new players find it not fun in the slightest, and move on.

    I will put money down that it is the primary culprit on why, after every free weekend and every MSRP sale, their steamcharts numbers plummet back down to the same old flat 20k-25k peak players again.

    So, yes, DbD is supposed to have a matchmaking algorithm via rank. But Behavior has no clue what they are doing with it, and I'm saying this as someone with over a decade in actual commercial game design.

    New Players are not going to chew glass in a game that is supposed to have matchmaking, per the Devs own words, because the Dev team is utterly incapable of actually creating a functioning matchmaker. If the new players wanted that headache, they'd probably just be playing Fortnite, Apex, Realm Royale, or the battle royale of your choice. They're trying to play DbD, where even Streamers talk about Rank being the matchmaker.

    So, they come in expecting a matchmaker as there is supposed to be, but instead find one riddled with enough design holes to fly a Death Star through.

  • AvocetAvocet Member Posts: 284

    I think preventing people from deranking below rank 15 won't fix anything. Even before the Stranger Things patch was released, I as a rank 20 killer was barely ever matched with any survivor below rank 15. I guess it would be a choice between getting nobody in your lobby or playing against survivors that are higher rank than you.

    All things considered, I must say I'm pleasantly surprised though. In the last couple days I haven't had matches with toxic survivors. Either the toxic players are taking a break until the matchmaking is fixed or the people do consider they might be playing against a beginner. Or I've just been extremely lucky. It's funny how the bug with the matchmaking has made the atmosphere more bearable for a beginner killer than before. I'm not usually an optimist but I think the community effort is paying off.

  • xEaxEa Member Posts: 2,396

    It is not fixing the problem, but it is at least a start. As said, there should be a way that new players can verse other new players exclusivly. That you can not up or de-rank from 20-16ish if you have less then 50 games / 50 hours played.

  • WateryWatery Member Posts: 1,118

    Stuff is being done to fix it. Should be out in the next hotfix.

  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,879
    edited September 2019

    I actually believe it has nothing to do with experienced players in low ranks, I'm saying this cause EVERY time I get to play against a lowrank killer we get tunneled or camped, therefore, experienced killers are better for the begginer survivors first experience, but on the other side, yes, low rank killers should ALWAYS play against people of their rank colour cause we purple or red ranks live of looping and breaking killer's ankles.

  • Pumpkin_KingPumpkin_King Member Posts: 22

    Yeah but that's a bug that came with the new update.

  • xEaxEa Member Posts: 2,396

    Thank you! And thanks to the Devs.

    It would have been a good idea to announce it directly ingame. Not many Beginners will check BHVR on Twitter.

  • WateryWatery Member Posts: 1,118

    DBD social media and Discord at better places to go for this kinda stuff. Recommend the discord a lot!

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,504

    It's not hard to pick up a FPS game..... it can be difficult for most players to pick up survivor at first.... most players that first come in to the fog dont understand what all the structures are on the map so they just die thinking "why would I want to go through that again?" Especially when theres more games like Apex and fortnut out there... same thing for killer.... most get used to feeling strong going against the noobs and then they hit a wall and go against a competent team that removes the power feeling completely away from them....

    Imo the devs need to implement a better tutorial or something for the community to better help newer players be retained more..

  • Mr_KMr_K Member Posts: 4,850

    I agree ranks 20-16 shouldn't face killer/survivors outside that range.

    Exception being if they are part of a swf with members outside that rank or not enough players active in that rank.

  • Swiftblade131Swiftblade131 Member Posts: 1,847

    I agree

    I got a few friends who have owned the game for a while. But they do not want to play, because even though they are rank 20, they are facing killers that are clearly beyond rank 20, maybe not past 10, but have a couple hundreds of hours already.

    Just played with one of them yesterday, first match was vs. a trapper that used Iridescent Stone, Bloody Coil, and an Ivory Mori to boot, and NOed if that interests you.

    A rank 20 survivors, my new friend.

    Me and another friend around rank 13 cause reset, and another friend around rank 15, he plays but not a whole lot.

    And the killer was rank 8. Shook his head every time he downed someone, not sure why, we weren't even being toxic. Some killers.

    Either way, the MM has been screwy lately, but that is still no excuse, and this has been an issue for some time as OP has stated.

    Sucks that they don't want to play since 7/10 matches are like that.

  • whammigobambamwhammigobambam Member Posts: 921
    edited September 2019

    Yes but this does not address my two man rank 5 swf team oftentimes queuing into a lobby with two rank 15 survivors and one rank 15 killer where all that happens is mindless camping and tunnelling while two gen jockeys maybe survive.

    It just means my rank 18 friend who does not play religiously can not queue up with me unless he oftentimes wants to get stomped on by some rank 1-5 mori lullaby necklace spirit.

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  • ProfessorDunwichProfessorDunwich Member Posts: 826

    Totally agree. Hard to get out of it too due to potato teammates. Once you get to a certain level pipping becomes much as easier as a survivor.

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