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Am I the only one who thinks this battle pass is a slap in the face?

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  • ShirokuroShirokuro Member Posts: 174

    I was originally pretty sceptical about the idea of 'battle pass' but after getting on the PTB and seeing how much cool cosmetics it has and how you can get the auric cells you spent back, I really like how it's implemented.

  • CallMeBaconCallMeBacon Member Posts: 53
    edited October 2019

    To answer your question, it's unlikely that you are the only person who feels "slapped" by the Rift. However I would feel confident saying you are within a small group of overall Dead By Daylight players.

    I for one, find the Rift (and Archives) a nice and simple addition to the game for veteran players that have everything unlocked and can now look forward to putting their time and effort towards something more than just endlessly grinding out add-ons and offerings.

    As for the terrible monetization scheme you fear will over take the paid game market because of Dead By Daylight's design choice, I'd like to say I'd feel much better seeing this sorta system be used in other games than any other system, or even no system at all. It's quite nice that you can pay for the first ever battle pass and then never have to pay again as long as you correctly manage your Auric cells gained from the completion of every rift every mid chapter patch. The way the Devs handled this is fair and rewarding for the player base. You get more back then you pay for.

    Also, just to be a bore and repeat everyone else, the premium track rift is completely optional. You are not forced to pay it in any way.

  • Ramxenoc445Ramxenoc445 Member Posts: 459

    Not at all a problem. I'm just like you went from having all dlc till stranger things on ps4 went to pc and bought them all again alone with all the kate cosmetics and one for huntress. Still a few I need to get again but battlepass is fine. Its not something you need and if you buy it and complete it you basically get a refund and can buy it again free. So it isn't at all and issue.

  • SporkSpork Member Posts: 100

    It's not just you, I feel the same way. They try their best to point out how dedicated their players are, say they want to reward us for spending time in the game, but when it comes to a quests mechanic they throw in a Battlepass, putting all the valuable/interesting things behind a paywall. Yes, it's 10$, I have spent a lot of money on the game already though, and asking for more is the slap in the face. I get you can make the Auric cells back but it's not the point. A Battlepass didn't need to find its way to Dead by daylight, and these new cosmetics could have been integrated normally with the store we already have. If we needed to pay? Fine, I'd rather the individual items be put in the store rather all of them behind 1000 Auric Cells. YES, It's worth it, that's the POINT. They WANT you to buy it, that's why they locked it all up behind the currency. I don't understand why the people who support this are getting so worked up with backlash about it, micro transactions have always been something people disliked, and we don't need to be enabling it. I was looking forward to doing quests for cosmetics that I actually wanted, not paying for them.

  • SporkSpork Member Posts: 100

    It's not just you, I feel the same way. They try their best to point out how dedicated their players are, say they want to reward us for spending time in the game, but when it comes to a quests mechanic they throw in a Battlepass, putting all the valuable/interesting things behind a paywall. Yes, it's 10$, I have spent a lot of money on the game already though, and asking for more is the slap in the face. I get you can make the Auric cells back but it's not the point. A Battlepass didn't need to find its way to Dead by daylight, and these new cosmetics could have been integrated normally with the store we already have. If we needed to pay? Fine, I'd rather the individual items be put in the store rather all of them behind 1000 Auric Cells. YES, It's worth it, that's the POINT. They WANT you to buy it, that's why they locked it all up behind the currency. I don't understand why the people who support are getting so worked up with backlash about it, micro transactions have always been something people disliked, and we don't need to be enabling it. I was looking forward to doing quests for cosmetics that I actually wanted, not paying for them.

  • CallMeBaconCallMeBacon Member Posts: 53

    I just wanted to say, that as far as I know, it was never ever said that the Archive's challenges would reward cosmetic items besides Charms. (It does reward charms by the way)

  • Dj_crayonDj_crayon Member Posts: 1

    Battle pass is the worsest thing in dvd I've ever heard. Look its paid game and there are many dlc. So what u wiil get skin to character u dont have? Its hortible idea. But BHVR is greedy company and I bet that in near future battle pass will appear.

  • WrathofbabushkaWrathofbabushka Member Posts: 3

    Not only is dbd incredibly inexpensive (the chapters aren't really that much, and you aren't forced at any point to buy All of it) it's not forcing you to buy aa battle pass either. I don't see how this is something people have wanted for so long and now we get it and everyone complains. It's crazy. Yes the chapters add up, but I bought them all because I wanted to and I definitely got my moneys worth. Why are you complaining about your own choices to buy things?

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 1,669
    edited October 2019

    Honestly this thread is nothing but shocking to say the least.

    The amount of people that justify everything is quite bizarre. I hope thanks to people who excuse everything, no matter how shady it actually is, that BHVR will continue to explore free2play-revenue in this paid game.

    A couple of suggestions for you:

    Please let us have premium accounts, It would be totally neat to upgrade your account for lets say another 1000 AC so we can have permanent bloodhunt and earn double bp, every game for a month. If there is already a bloodhunt, we could make it x4, imagine the revenue generated. This is also expandable you can offer large amounts of AC up to 10000 AC and slap some artificial saving on it. Like only use 10000 instead of 12000 AC for a year of premium!

    There seems to be a widespread misconception about what it means to save money. Money saved isn't spend so when people spend money they do not save it. It is funny to see how it affects people and they talk about skins being worth AC when AC has no value to begin with and as any ingame currency available for purchase with real money only exists to make people forget that they actually do spend money.

    Also please get rid of the cosmetic store: It is simply outdated. Nobody wants their customers just to buy what they want, you have to sell them the chance that they might be able to get the skin they want. Please include lootboxes, you already have some artificially made up grades of rarity on the skins so these should be fairly easy to implement.

    I know lots of people do not like lootboxes that is why you have to call them something else. Maybe you even need to show the item the people get with the next lootbox beforehand so you do not get accused of that system being gambling.

    Make bloodpoint available to purchase via microtransactions too! You know at least it doesn't affect gameplay in any kind or way. Imagine the amount of money generated by simply abusing people with mental disorders. You and a couple of people know that that it is not about the occasional buyer but about the whales who spend their money on it to complete everybody p3 especially on release day of dlc, glorious revenue indeed.

    All is very optional and nice, not affecting gameplay. So please BHVR go ahead and explore those payment models as lots of people will defend you till the very end. I mean you already have people that are completely deluded that they get their money back with the rift pass.

    You are a company after all and need to make money 🤦‍♀️

    But as somebody who actually doesn't like various triple AAA publishers doing the same shady stuff in their games where they ask 60 instead of 20 to have the base game, i simply will not continue to support this. I don't care if it is lack of knowledge and understanding how anti consumer those free2play payment models are but to some people there is no higher value than moral integrity.

  • premiumRICEpremiumRICE Member Posts: 695

    Not even taking into account that there might be free tiers of bp, its just cosmetics, do you consider the 80’s dlc unfair? Cause its the same thing, you want it you buy it, otherwise its the same, no gameplay changes involved.

  • LarisaLarisa Member Posts: 177

    In every game with battle pass people are complaining

    Cmon. You don't have to buy it, no one forces you to buy it..

  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,003
    edited October 2019

    I hate battlepasses. Not because they're a "bad deal" but because they always goad you in with this "Oh you get all this stuff IF you finish it before the season's up". Meaning 1. you're paying to grind, and 2. you don't get everything unless you finish within a certain time frame. It's a scummy tactic because most people will not finish the battle pass before they start a new one.

    Oh and even worse they like to pretend "Oh you still get stuff for free if you don't buy it". But the "stuff you get for free" is usually two or three things you would never use, or stuff that is just a recolor of basic clothes you start with.

    If you're gonna make a battle pass, don't do it in a scummy way. Make it a 100% paid option and don't set a time limit. The "free option" is just to show you the disparity between all the stuff you could get if you were doing the paid option, so that you're guilted into buying it.

  • kcwolf1975kcwolf1975 Member Posts: 537

    I think it is a great deal. Companies need to make money to keep the game alive and they have found a way to do that without forcing anyone to buy anything if they don't want to. You know what happens if you don't buy the battle pass, dlc, or cosmetics??? Nothing! It is still the exact same game that you have been playing and you are not at any disadvantage for not buying the battle pass.

  • blue4zionblue4zion Member Posts: 1,286

    I dunno why I expected it, but I'm disappointed in the lack of auric cells in the free pass.

  • kcwolf1975kcwolf1975 Member Posts: 537

    Sounds like you pay $10 and if you do everything you get 1000 auric cells ($10) back. That's a pretty good deal if you can pay once and keep renewing the battle pass for free.

  • ShirokuroShirokuro Member Posts: 174

    A lot of people here don't realize that you can just play normally, completing quests and only pay when you reach the tier level that has stuff you want.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 4,056

    You dont ever get your money back. Just enough to get the next one and be reeled into playing even longer.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 4,056

    A battle pass is just a system people figured out wont be as vilified as loot boxes. Thanks to the popularity of fortnite, it worked.

  • ThasardThasard Member Posts: 205

    If you play through every month, it's a one time pay. By playing through, you will get the monetary means to buy the next month's.

    I'm actually really excited about it, because I don't pay for cosmetics, so this is one way for me to get some, while having some challenges to motivate me to play, and hopefully that is encouraging other players to play thus hopefully reducing wait times.

    I'm a completist, so I'm looking forward to the challenges, even if it means they make me play more killer.

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 1,669

    Since they are not greedy at all, they didn't make it optional to buy tiers in the rift pass. Oh wait they did, 6900 AC. Very cool to hope for more money from people that actually do have a life.

  • IWannaPlayAGameIWannaPlayAGame Member Posts: 6

    Ok, the Rift 1) pays you back the money you spent on it, 2) gives you stuff for free (including the currency to get the halloween cosmetics just for playing), 3) is for purely cosmetic stuff, 4) Everything you can get there you'll eventually be able to get later for direct purchase if you "missed out." There's legit no reason to not like this change unless you're just opposed to battle passes cause "Fortnite bad" because it not only brings in more content (cosmetic or lore wise with the Archives) but also just a breath of fresh air for ppl who are burnt out. I'm not trying to argue with you, just maybe wait until it's out and give it a try before we all just jump on the hate bandwagon.

  • kcwolf1975kcwolf1975 Member Posts: 537

    It's pointless to argue with these people. I don't understand how anyone can complain about something that adds content and is totally optional. It doesn't even affect gameplay if you don't buy it.

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 1,669

    1) it doesn't you pay and get ac, ac is worthless outside of this game

    3) for now

    4) wrong, charms so far will be exclusive

    Before you try to argue make sure that you don't say stuff that is wrong like that it gives you your money back and you shouldn't compare dbd a game that actually has an entry fee combined with several dlc to a complete free 2 play game.

  • LittleLiamLittleLiam Member Posts: 34

    Then just don't buy it until you're sure. Play the game, complete the free track, throw the auric cells in, you'll get them all back and all rewards from the premium track.

    Sure some people will order the buffet and not eat their share but if you make your plate first while nibbling off the bar the whole time, you can look at your plate, decide you didnt get enough food for it to be worth the price and set it down and walk away without paying and you save your money while still getting a few bites.

  • IWannaPlayAGameIWannaPlayAGame Member Posts: 6

    lol legit said I wasn't trying to argue chill dude you seem p hostile about a video game. Also about your "wRoNg, ChArMs excluthive" jab, so?? lol they're just stupid cosmetic charms?? why care about them? And yeah ac is worthless outside the game, but did you buy DLC for this game or skins for characters? like why complain about this or that, I don't get it, but you do you mate

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 3,658
    edited October 2019

    The point is you pay once and can use the auric cells for the future ones.

    They said most if not all consmetics will be available in the store 6 months after the rift which may change to a lower time.

    If you don't like it don't buy it. You aren't missing out on anything that changes the game play it's purely optional fluff items. The only only thing that changes gameplay is the DLC and quite frankly I'd rather they added this form of income than increase the price of the DLC.

  • The_Sharp_NinjaThe_Sharp_Ninja Member Posts: 35

    I originally thought that the idea of a battle pass was going to turn Dead by Daylight into another game in existence that I shouldn't even have to name, but with the idea that you could earn the battle pass by just playing the game, that's pretty good. I don't see a problem with it.

  • Tucking_FriggeredTucking_Friggered Member Posts: 636

    Not quite. You still had to make a $10 purchase of which you do not get that $10 back. You do get more value from the $10 you spend though.

  • Tucking_FriggeredTucking_Friggered Member Posts: 636
    edited October 2019

    Life is full of paywalls. Is objective reality as hard for you to deal with as it appears? The internet is behind a paywall. Electricity is behind a paywall. Owning a computer is behind a paywall. Game companies have to pay for designers, yet another paywall.

    Of course the best stuff is behind the premium portion. Do you think people will pay for the lesser when the best is free?

    Stop whinging.

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 1,669

    You legit contradict yourself, you come in start a list with points that are wrong and then state you do not want to argue. I am not hostile about it, it is just tiresome that people are unable to see the diffrence between getting their money back and getting some virtual ingame currency that is worth nothing.

    I am not hostile, i am frustrated with the fact this is a paid game and they include free2play mechanics which you would suspect in dota,cs:go, world of tanks. All titles you can play for free with the entire content, not in dbd where you have to pay for diffrent killers and skills and survivors.

    From here it is not far to premium accounts and other stuff but hey, keep supporting everything.

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