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(video)Standard NOED killer. Op perks and add ons need to be nerfed for both survivors and killers.

Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

First off I'm a pretty bad survivor. I play alot of killer so I know the maps which makes me ok at survivor.

This guy should not be in the red ranks. Gets boosted by 1 perk.

People say it helps with gen rush but when you're this bad at chasing you're obviously going to have 0 map pressure. These boosted NOED killers would probably have more fun playing at a rank matching their skill.

I don't know how to fix it. Remove movement speed buff? But all the boosted ######### needs to go already and have ranking represent some level of skill.

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  • LarczLarcz Member Posts: 531
    @Easylife

    Noed also increases speed on top of bloodlust.. and what does a medkit do to help when you are currently being chased?
    Well mayby not medikit bur adrenalin yes.Got one time action like i hit on ground surv and i want pick up him and somone fix last gen.Surv stand up and run.Or another not cool thing when i hit somone on ground and another surv bring insta medikit with him and heal his frend before i can do antyhing.
  • Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @DocOctober said:

    @Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:
    The speed increase of NOED is minor.

    That Killer wasn't carried by a Perk, she would have gotten you with or without NOED.

    Wut? It's 4%...

    Difference between Hag / Huntress and everyone else is 5%.

    It's literally a HUGE balancing tool at that amount.

    The point is that the killer was so bad and shouldn't be at red ranks. In 1000+ hrs of killer I never fathomed a survivor using 6 vaults and about 30sec on that tile lol.

    It's barely the difference of Bloodlust 1. You can ask any Killer, Bloodlust 1 is barely noticeable.

    And just because that Pig had troubles in that game, doesn't mean that that is the case in all games.

    2 weeks ago, I played against an SWF group on high ranks and demolished them. I had them again in the very next game and they demolished me. Everyone can have bad games.

    I'm not even going to waste time on you if you think 4% movement speed is trivial lol...

  • Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @Easylife said:
    In the video you are INJURED (and have a medkit that has maximum charges) then he downs you and it reveals NOED, how was this clip demonstrating him being carried by NOED?

    I have a medkit? Wut? What happened to this forum lol

  • Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @DocOctober said:

    @Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:

    @Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:
    The speed increase of NOED is minor.

    That Killer wasn't carried by a Perk, she would have gotten you with or without NOED.

    Wut? It's 4%...

    Difference between Hag / Huntress and everyone else is 5%.

    It's literally a HUGE balancing tool at that amount.

    The point is that the killer was so bad and shouldn't be at red ranks. In 1000+ hrs of killer I never fathomed a survivor using 6 vaults and about 30sec on that tile lol.

    It's barely the difference of Bloodlust 1. You can ask any Killer, Bloodlust 1 is barely noticeable.

    And just because that Pig had troubles in that game, doesn't mean that that is the case in all games.

    2 weeks ago, I played against an SWF group on high ranks and demolished them. I had them again in the very next game and they demolished me. Everyone can have bad games.

    I'm not even going to waste time on you if you think 4% movement speed is trivial lol...

    Yeah right, keep trying to make an elephant out of a mosquito. I know better, I created the movement speed article on the Wiki, I know what is a significant boost and what isn't.

    Woahhhh wiki lol.

    So you would be fine with the movement speed boost being removed atleast then :)

  • Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @M2Fream said:
    Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:

    @Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:

    The speed increase of NOED is minor.

    That Killer wasn't carried by a Perk, she would have gotten you with or without NOED.

    Wut? It's 4%...

    Difference between Hag / Huntress and everyone else is 5%.

    It's literally a HUGE balancing tool at that amount.

    The point is that the killer was so bad and shouldn't be at red ranks. In 1000+ hrs of killer I never fathomed a survivor using 6 vaults and about 30sec on that tile lol.

    It's barely the difference of Bloodlust 1. You can ask any Killer, Bloodlust 1 is barely noticeable.
    
    And just because that Pig had troubles in that game, doesn't mean that that is the case in all games.
    

    2 weeks ago, I played against an SWF group on high ranks and demolished them. I had them again in the very next game and they demolished me. Everyone can have bad games.

    I'm not even going to waste time on you if you think 4% movement speed is trivial lol...

    Hey, DocOctober is a respected community member. Hes right in saying that 4% is not that good. Bloodlust 1 is not noticable.

    If you think 4% is trivial you don't play at a high level...

  • Sn0wJobSn0wJob Member Posts: 247
    edited July 2018

    YOU USED AN INSTA HEAL, AND NOBODY BOTHERED CLEARING TOTEMS

    But sure, claim NOED is the issue here.

    Also if you wanted NOED gone from the game, they would have to nerf adrenaline saves AND get rid of borrowed f*cking time

  • Sn0wJobSn0wJob Member Posts: 247

    Ah sorry, responded back when an earlier comment claimed you used one then I watched the video myself and you didn't. Then they fixed their comment.

    Still fact remains that there is only two ways to punish gen rushing in this game and that is RUIN and NOED, devs have already said they're not changing the 90sec channel timer for generators and they haven't fixed a lot of palette/window loops so a lot of killers can just have 20-30 seconds wasted ez.
    Why not go around cleansing totems if you hate NOED so much, make it your personal mission when you play survivor.
    Stop shaming people for their perk choices, it's never a smart move.

  • Sally55Sally55 Member Posts: 368

    @Sn0wJob said:
    Ah sorry, responded back when an earlier comment claimed you used one then I watched the video myself and you didn't. Then they fixed their comment.

    Still fact remains that there is only two ways to punish gen rushing in this game and that is RUIN and NOED, devs have already said they're not changing the 90sec channel timer for generators and they haven't fixed a lot of palette/window loops so a lot of killers can just have 20-30 seconds wasted ez.
    Why not go around cleansing totems if you hate NOED so much, make it your personal mission when you play survivor.
    Stop shaming people for their perk choices, it's never a smart move.

    +1.

  • Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243
    edited July 2018

    @Sn0wJob said:
    Ah sorry, responded back when an earlier comment claimed you used one then I watched the video myself and you didn't. Then they fixed their comment.

    Still fact remains that there is only two ways to punish gen rushing in this game and that is RUIN and NOED, devs have already said they're not changing the 90sec channel timer for generators and they haven't fixed a lot of palette/window loops so a lot of killers can just have 20-30 seconds wasted ez.
    Why not go around cleansing totems if you hate NOED so much, make it your personal mission when you play survivor.
    Stop shaming people for their perk choices, it's never a smart move.

    I don't run NOED and do fine. It's clear it's a horrible killer who is boosted from 1 perk.

    Also "shaming" people dafuk lol. You tried make fun on me for using an insta heal. Which I didn't.

    What happened to this forum is it because school is out lol?

  • Tzeentchling9Tzeentchling9 Member Posts: 1,796

    @M2Fream said:
    Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:

    @Might_Oakk said:

    @DocOctober said:

    The speed increase of NOED is minor.

    That Killer wasn't carried by a Perk, she would have gotten you with or without NOED.

    Wut? It's 4%...

    Difference between Hag / Huntress and everyone else is 5%.

    It's literally a HUGE balancing tool at that amount.

    The point is that the killer was so bad and shouldn't be at red ranks. In 1000+ hrs of killer I never fathomed a survivor using 6 vaults and about 30sec on that tile lol.

    It's barely the difference of Bloodlust 1. You can ask any Killer, Bloodlust 1 is barely noticeable.
    
    And just because that Pig had troubles in that game, doesn't mean that that is the case in all games.
    

    2 weeks ago, I played against an SWF group on high ranks and demolished them. I had them again in the very next game and they demolished me. Everyone can have bad games.

    I'm not even going to waste time on you if you think 4% movement speed is trivial lol...

    Hey, DocOctober is a respected community member. Hes right in saying that 4% is not that good. Bloodlust 1 is not noticable.

    If you think 4% is trivial you don't play at a high level...

    Sounds like someone probably has a Thanataphobia fetish.
  • Sally55Sally55 Member Posts: 368

    @Sn0wJob said:

    @thesuicidefox said:
    People comparing NOED and Adrenaline fail to account for the fact that one perk requires you to succeed for it to proc, while the other requires you to fail.

    My Adrenaline won't proc unless all the gens get done, I get rewarded for succeeding in my objective. NOED procs when you failed as killer to stop the gens from being done. You are rewarding for nothing. If NOED required something on the killers end, something they had to do before the gates were powered for it to proc, then it would be a fair perk. As it stands, it's a crutch and OP is completely right. There are too many boosted killers that only got to high ranks because NOED saved them at the end of the game. Killers that can't chase, can't keep map pressure, can't ever find you, these are the ones running NOED to make up for their lack of skill. You can tell because they will barely get a single hook all game, then suddenly kill 2 when the gates power because they hit the guy they were chasing all game with NOED to finally catch them, and usually manage to catch 1 more either going for the save or at a gate.

    I had a game as Freddy last night. I was doing a Hide'n'Seek build (jumpscares with M&A and paint brush), with Devour Hope. It was on Game (I picked it), but they still found my totem early (I had 1 token I think and then it was gone). They also had 3 toolboxes. I struggled SO HARD that game. All 4 were alive when the exit gates powered, and I had no NOED. At this point I was pretty sure I would lose, but I managed to pull out a 2k simply because the guy I caught when the gates were powered was in good spot for me to defend. It wasn't easy, but I pipped. If I had NOED I'm positive I woulda got all 4, but I wouldn't have deserved it.

    Killers need to stop defending this perk. The only killers that claim to "need" NOED are the bad ones.

    NOED is your punishment for not cleansing totems, this sounds like a failure to me. Go do some secondary objectives if you hate noed so much ;)

    I Agree. You wanna gen rush and not break dull totems? Then deal with the consequences.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,200

    Well NOED is a counter of genrush.
    Of course you can genrush and ignore totems, but then you will have to risk being instadowned. Btw you were injured already, so it didnt matter in your clip

  • Might_OakkMight_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @Master said:
    Well NOED is a counter of genrush.
    Of course you can genrush and ignore totems, but then you will have to risk being instadowned. Btw you were injured already, so it didnt matter in your clip

    So I guess you missed the entire point of the thread.

    Why is a killer that terrible in the red ranks? Wouldn't he be better off between r10 and r15 where he can play survivors at his skill level?

    I'm a killer main and he wasted the whole match following me. Trash killers rely on NOED, get ranked to high, and then complain the game is to hard.

    Pressure is the counter to gen rush but if you're that bad you can't create any pressure so need to rely on a boosted crutch perk.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,200

    @Might_Oakk said:

    @Master said:
    Well NOED is a counter of genrush.
    Of course you can genrush and ignore totems, but then you will have to risk being instadowned. Btw you were injured already, so it didnt matter in your clip

    So I guess you missed the entire point of the thread.

    Why is a killer that terrible in the red ranks? Wouldn't he be better off between r10 and r15 where he can play survivors at his skill level?

    I'm a killer main and he wasted the whole match following me. Trash killers rely on NOED, get ranked to high, and then complain the game is to hard.

    Pressure is the counter to gen rush but if you're that bad you can't create any pressure so need to rely on a boosted crutch perk.

    Because ranks dont mean anything. Anyone with sligth experience can reach rank 1 easily by investing enough time. Oh and btw, its way easier to reach high rank as survivor, then bad killers play aganist bad high rank survivors and rank up this way.

    The core problem is that the devs implemented pips as a padding ont he shoulder that you did well. Thats just not what competitive game should be, but whatever.

    I guess he was a new killer and will never again try to rank up after he has been bullied a few SWF.

    You cant create any pressure against good survivors that dont do mistakes while looping, thats literally the core issue of the game (except nurse)

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