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The Archives Level 4 looks insane(feedback)

I just completed every quest in The Archives level 1 and i was able to see the quests in The Archives Level 4, i couldn't switch to level 2 and 3, i guess i was not supposed to see the level 4. Then i looked at the challenges and they look pretty insane for survivor mains. That challenges seem cool but forcing people to do builds based on that and forcing them to hard challenges like "sacrifice 3 survivors during the endgame collapse while using Hex:noed" in a single trial or "hook 5 survivors to the basement while using agitation" in a single trial. that single trial challenges should be considered, and i would like to know if devs can do this quests before releasing them. Some people that's not familiar with killers may struggle with such challenges. This is just a feedback on unreleased The Archives level 4 quests, so it might be changed.

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  • DonnieTheZombieDonnieTheZombie Member Posts: 229

    Oh wtf. The only reason i started playing dbd again was this new challenge system but that sounds completely stupid and not thought out at all. Then again that's dbd.

    Suppose I'll come back next year when they finally balance out these near impossible challenges LOL

  • meatisadelicacymeatisadelicacy Member Posts: 776

    I've wondered how these challenges are going to throw off the balance of the game. I'm a survivor main, my dailies are 99% killer, and I almost never do them because of it. I might play five killer games a month. With the challenges being 50-50, won't that throw the balance off? And being a survivor main, they'll be even harder for me to do, and vice versa. So are killer queues going to be out of control at all ranks now? Survivor mains trying to do really hard killer challenges sounds like a nightmare to me. I almost wish there were two rifts you could purchase - one for killer or one for survivor based on which you played more.

    I was afraid a battle pass would make this game be a lot less fun and you could already see both survivors and killers playing differently on day one.

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 6,688

    Peanits said in another Thread that this mission is meant to be part of the repair of 4 Gens while using Dark Sense. So you dont need to repair 4 Gens by your own, but participate in the repair of 4 Gens.

    He also mentioned that some of the later Challenges are placeholders for now, they can still change.

  • MikeasaurusMikeasaurus Member Posts: 2,009

    If that's the case they REALLY need to reword a lot of these challenges because right now, some are just confusing or making them sound way worse than they actually are. But, this is also just typical game dev behavior. They'll place blocks on these sorts of battle passes where they know many players will struggle to complete them, and hope that if they become desperate enough, they'll cough up some cash to get those last few tiers. It's sad that even BHVR seem to be falling down this route, because even if we were to just play, you're getting like 1 rift fragment per level gained. It would take way too long just to get a few tiers of the pass this way

  • RydogRydog Member Posts: 2,644

    I have to assume the developers cannot possibly be this tone-deaf about their game, and that these level 4 challenges we're seeing right now aren't final.

    If I'm wrong and they are this insane, it would be a shameless push for players to spend money to bypass challenges that everyone knows are functionally impossible. I will definitely stop engaging with the Archives altogether if this section of the tome hits the game in this state.

  • X_ScottX_Scott Member Posts: 103

    Where are these challenges? I'm new to game, on switch, and all I get is a daily ritual. Am I overlooking something?

  • X_ScottX_Scott Member Posts: 103

    Yeah, no archives for us yet, I guess

  • CamophloCamophlo Member Posts: 94

    I really do hope the lv4 challenges are placeholders like mentioned above. These sound borederline impossible when playing solo and extremely difficult as even SFW. Too much required for a single challenge AND to be done in a single trial. Not the best way to make something rewarding in my opinion... Really really hope it's easier later on. Would hate to see Archives die cause of Level Four challenges being extremely difficult and unfair to both killers and survivors

  • Dwight_FairfieldDwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 3,584

    They're having a laugh if they think some of those challenges are doable without making a bazillion attempts.

  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,065

    Honestly this should make it easier for you to do the killer challenges because you'll be in a lower rank, vsing potato survivors.

  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,065
    edited November 2019

    I mean, we told everybody a battle pass would be like this. Everyone said "You don't have to pay for it", "You're choosing to pay for the battle pass",etc.

  • se05239se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    The fact that Lore itself will be locked behind these sort of challenges (as we can only assume they exist in Tome 2-3), makes it worse. Lore is something casuals SHOULD be able to unlock without too much of a hassle.

  • RydogRydog Member Posts: 2,644

    Yeah, that's totally a "letter of the law" vs. "spirit of the law" line of debate, though. I have to assume that people who make this argument understand that they are taking a bad faith position, they just insist on not acknowledging the problems that come with this kind of system in terms of how it locks a lot of the player base out.

    It's also a "have our cake and eat it too" case for Behavior, putting a Fortnite-style battle pass in a traditionally priced $19.99 game with $89.87 worth of expansion DLC (i.e. all the stuff that features new characters, not just cosmetics). Every non-F2P game that dips its toes into this particular pond experiences backlash, and it's because the publisher essentially takes consumers for suckers. Look at what happened with Call of Duty: Black Ops 4, as a good example.

    It's kind of a weird road to see this game go down. The irony is that most of the stuff in the Rift is pretty mediocre; I'm not too thrilled about charms (even as a concept), and quite a few of the cosmetic pieces are just recolors. I think the Tomes (the challenges) could potentially work even without the Rift tracks in place, but man those level 4 challenges are something else.

  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,065
    edited November 2019

    Honestly I'm more worried about what happens when all the challenges are done. Getting rift fragments without the challenges is going to be hell and I don't expect anyone to actually complete the rift without paying for progression. I'm currently at tier 12, and 3 of those are from the tome, and 7 of them were given to me automatically when the rift thing started. Meaning I've gotten 2 tiers in 3 days. With 70 rifts total, and I think there are 93 rift fragments you get from the first tome(9.3 tiers), and I would assume this would be the case for each tome, meaning with 4 tomes you get 37.2 tiers. The other 32.8 will be done just from getting rift fragments from exp. If I did my math right.

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 6,688

    You dont have to put any money in the Rift to complete it. It is entirely optional. Furthermore, Rift =/= Archives. You can complete the Rift without doing any Archive-Mission.

    Besides that, I think even the Level 4-ones are doable. Especially the Killer ones, except for the End Game-Challenges (both Survivor and Killer), they are all doable. Not on first attempt tho, but this is fine. Like, its easy to hook people in the Basement, using Map Offerings and Agitation/Iron Grasp (would not recommend to use Bubba for this btw). Killing all 4 in the Basement is a different Story, but also achieveable.

  • Dr_LoomisDr_Loomis Member Posts: 2,680
    edited November 2019

    Include ridiculous challenges...players can't do challenges...players use collected cells to go up tiers...players spend more money to progress...The Art of the Deal 👌

  • Angelicus23Angelicus23 Member Posts: 1,856

    These two are a nightmare for me, there are also the one that YOU must complete four gens by yourself and make two flashlight saves, one of the most difficult things in the game.

    But in part is understandable, the first challemges has been extremely easy, so itvs normal to put more difficult ones, but think about it, how probable is to get the "special" killer of the "special" survivors to make these challenges. If you reached that point, your rank must be high, not 21, and the people you will get will never let you do these

  • TeichkuhTeichkuh Member Posts: 6

    Holy [BAD WORD], what the hell.

    I understand that some should be harder than others, but nah dude. I've read about flashlightsaves too here in the forum and I'm thinking... how on earth should I do that? Can't even get one right. And the basement one will take you days just because of the DCing idiots.

    Instead of writing stuff like that their placeholders could just be "Do something.", just so you know it is one. :P

  • ToastfaceKillaToastfaceKilla Member Posts: 471

    I think a good system is to have 2 rewards for each challenge. If you do it in a single trial you get extra BPs and Rift progress, but if not you can still advance the tome by doing it over a couple of games.


    I'm in two minds, I like hard challenges, but my mentality when I was finishing up tome 1 was very much "Just get this finished without caring about the game itself" and thats only going to be worse with the harder challenges. Going to see a lot of thrown games trying to complete them.

  • FibijeanFibijean Member Posts: 8,332

    At the very least, more difficult challenges should give greater rewards. In the same way that master challenges award more BPs and Rift Fragments than ordinary challenges, Tome 4 challenges should award more than those in Tome 1.

  • Dr_LoomisDr_Loomis Member Posts: 2,680

    Even though I wasn't trying, I think I have only got 4 in the basement once or twice ever.

    With the EGC 3 unhooking, we best make a deal with the killer and get our farming overalls on.

  • bomb1720bomb1720 Member Posts: 428

    how does spending money work? i thought it just gave you better items to unlock, not complete challenges for you?

  • FigasFigas Member Posts: 59
    edited November 2019

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  • FigasFigas Member Posts: 59

    Its possble to spend 100 auric cells to bypass each Rift Tier. Completly overpriced obviously, but you never know how many will be dumb enought to purchase it.

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