Legion ignored all gameplay mechanics and literally had no counterplay. That's why they were annoying to go against. Your skill didn't matter at all, you couldn't do anything about them mindlessly stabbing you. If you can't see why he was changed, I don't know what to tell you.
Spirit has the same issue, you are mostly doing guessing games as survivor, where your skill doesn't really matter much. There are of course some strats you can do but it mostly comes down to, I hope she makes a mistake or I guessed right.
Nobody wants her to be trash, the devs are the ones making unnecessary changes most of the time.
These sorts of threads are useless and they are only fueling the constant hate between survivors and killers
"Slowdown freddy so unfun can't run around pallets he can ignore all survivor defenses soooooo unfun."
No idea why people are jumping on balanced killers they can't play against everytime. Not actual game problems like some extreme maps like hawkins or thompsons house.
Freddy's probably next on their radar. Can't have a killer that can slow the game down to his advantage, nonononono, that's just boring.
Now excuse me while I play hide and seek with survivors on Rotten Fields.
When I saw this, I immediately thought leatherface because he can hit multiple people with his chainsaw and barbecue and chili and him being the killer most related to insidous camping. But to be honest, the community will always complain about something, any killer. If they wanna complain, it's gonna be Legion, not legion, it's the spirit, not the spirit, it's nurse. But my bet on the next killer the community deems unfun will be leatherface
Plague because (just for the record I like Plague, one of my favorite killers actually) people don't cleanse. The infection spreads and then people stay broken all game and nothing interesting happens and everybody's coughing puking one shot but she's just m1 besides that. If they do cleanse she basically gets a machine gun and kills everybody unless they have plenty of cover or hide until it's over. I wish there was some more interesting dynamics with sickness and cleansing or not cleansing instead of it just being a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
Then increase the base effectiveness of her puke. Something needs to be done with her kit. Not saying a full Freddy rework but man her kit sucks in my opinion.
You literally have 0 clue what you do talk about, old legion was very strong with the right addons and was seen alot at red ranks. They on one hand fixed the possible exploiting of game mechanics with him while nerfing him to a point that made him utter garbage which is a reason why you barely see anyone playing him at red ranks.
Old nurse (talking about basekit) was completely fine and had probably the best balance for both killer and survivor with mindgames across the entire map and not just around a specific tile or obstacle.
I have a very easy solution for scott's need to see skilled counterplay, he should join the next tournament hosted by marth, he than only has to 4k all the time. EZ PZ right? I mean there have been lots of spirits as killer so he can deliver proof that all those killers were garbage and that there literally is no counterplay. Since he is unable to watch those videos, he can rather participate and dominate everyone.
Freddy and Plague, easily.
I have to admit, though, I hate the concept of Forever Freddy and think mostly bad players use it because they can't apply enough pressure without all of the slowdown perks, but I don't think it deserves a nerf or anything.
That would suck... I enjoy both playing as her and against her. Shes got room for skillful play, as well as counters.
Could just mean a rework rather than a nerf. Plague is only unfun because survivors tend to never GIVE her her power. If they could give her something consistent thats not overly OP...
Unpopular opinion here but I'd be interested in some number tweaks. Similar to how survivors have a maximum healing speed, I feel there should be a maximum slowdown speed. You'd still have Pop, etc to put ontop of it but the ott slowdown would be lessened.
Probably innocent Fredward. If there's enough crying, the nerfs will come.
What I find surprising is that even though Freddy has the highest kill rate currently, more survivors are looking for Spirit to be adjusted over any other killer. Which says a lot if you think about it...
I'd rather just the actual game be addressed if this much slowdown is needed to play the game for some people.
Also, Freddy slowdown add-ons make me think add-ons in general need to be looked at.
I say this because the best add-ons to me are ones like Scratched Mirror, where it completely changes the killer in such a way you feel like you're getting another killer out of using the add-on as it opens up using different builds and playstyles just to compliment the add-on.
And then there's Freddy's slowdown add-ons, woah, so interesting, I slow down the game passively with nothing else changed, very inspired.
Really, though, I'd love for Freddy to have slowdown add-ons that slow down the game in a unique way because they throw something different into his kit for him to use.
I mean you're only slowed if you're in his Dream World. You don't want to be in his Dream World. The longer you're in there the more you're penalized. That's why you need to wake up. To negate 2/3rds of his power.
A lot of big survivor main streamers are already complaining about freddy, not going to name them but you should be able to figure out who, Because streamers have such a following they encourage the players who follow them to act/think the same through their influence.I've had a couple of survivors in my lobbys call me out for playing Freddy with No perks or Add-ons and say he's pay to win just because I've 4k with him. I'm tired of this mob mentality people have towards killers doing well in all ranks.
Yes, but that means wasting time still.
And that's time the killer needs to use effectively. Playing killer, especially in high ranks is a game of seconds. You can't afford to make that many mistakes. One critical mistake can cause you to lose all of your pressure in one go.
Plus it's not really that much wasting time. If the killer doesn't have Red Paintbrush, just fail a skillcheck like old Freddy. If they do, then go find an alarm clock to wake up.
Are you telling me he is unfair and unbalanced and "unfun" when you have a lot of ways to turn him into a complete M1 killer with no powers during a chase?
Walking across the entire map to the alarm clock isn't wasting that much time? Not sure how you can reach that conclusion.
Failing a skill check still means a generator getting regressed and also alerting him about where you are.
Also I didn't even say he was unfair, or unbalanced, like if you actually read you would see me say "but I don't think it deserves a nerf or anything." but hey putting words in my mouth and talking about "but killer is hard!!" is easier than understanding that I just find the add-ons and build in general very boring and uninspired.
I personally find every killer as fun to go against :D (yes I'm strange)
What I find unfun is situational problems but I never rage quit/DC xD
The way I see it, you win some you loose some 🤷 collect your blood points and move on xP
I always see posts that killers are unfair and unfun but I don't think it's fun for a killer to be bullied by survivors because we can be toxic af! XD
Edit: I used to love playing against the old nurse :'( it was a 50/50 chance they were awesome or rubbish and I loved that :D
My money is that after they change The Spirit and rework The Doctor they will change Freddy. So my money is on Freddy. I haven't got many games vs Freddy tbh so I guess not many people play him as much as they do original killers...maybe because he is a licensed killer and you have to buy him with money and not shards. But yeah...I bet its Freddy.
Mark my words, they're coming for Stalkless Ghostface for being extremely effective in an unintended way, under the guise of "Abusing" his undetectability for unexpected rewards.
Sorry, but thanks to this forum my brain now thinks "Boring and Uninspired" is synonym for Unbalanced and Unfair.
Ohohoh, I know this one! "All of them" right? Coincidentally the same answer as asking killer mains the question "what survivor mechanic is broken?"
Understandable. Most boring and uninspired things I want changed are because I feel it would just provide a better experience for both sides by having something more interesting in the game to shake up gameplay.
This can of course be done with the base concept still there, like Freddy's being that his add-ons slow the game down.
I will admit there are times when I feel like I am forced to bring ruin on other killers other than Freddy. Freddy just has more flexibility because he comes with a built in ruin with his Dream World. Meaning I can be more flexible with his build.
Pig needs more nerfs, too OP.
I think billy, freddy or ghostface
I still think Billy is messed up. He needs to have real addons made for him, instead of his generic nonsense right now. Instasaw makes me sad.
Personally I think only bubba should even hard-down people with his chainsaw, Billy should splatter them with:
But he should also be able to chainsaw gens to damage them too, for like an extra 5% regression or something. I just want him to be interesting and different from bubba