I just think what you did kind of over complicates the process is all. Do whatever you want, but it's easier to comprehend a tier list with fewer tiers where each character is sorted according to relative strength within a tier. There's nothing wrong with putting 4 characters in a single tier so long as it makes sense. Not to mention, when you do what you did you make the statement "this character is clearly 100% better than this character" which might not be entirely true. It could be more fluid than that, so putting them in the same tier and just sorting them leaves open the idea "these characters are roughly equal but this character tends to be stronger than this character". It's less concrete that way.
I’ll play Hag unless I see more than two. Two isn’t that bad honestly. Three/four is something I haven’t even seen lol. So maybe I’ll try versing it one of these days.
Buff Clown !!!
When I talk about a certain killer being better than another, I always make sure to state it as an opinion. Just like I did the Original post. But yeah, that’s why I usually do SABCDF. It’s more smooth and flows better. You can check out my killer perk one if you want, I’d love to know your thoughts about it.
That’s definitely fair. I mean bubba isn’t completely useless you know? He has his positives. Like how you mentioned his comeback ability, I totally agree with this. It’s not over until the fat bubba sings. But if a killer mostly relies of mistakes of survivors and/or is RNG / map dependent, I can’t rank that killer above another who can do decent on most maps and has more pressure overall personally. Honestly though, I think we can agree they both just need reworks/buffs.
lol. It’s tough to rank her!
Too many tiers, not really a good list either
What are your thoughts on demogorgon? Because for me personally he’s an A tier (maybe even A+😏)
You’re more than welcome to explain why you disagree if you want. And yes next time, I plan on going back to the traditional SABCDF.
He’s got a lot of potential. He creates so much pressure throughout the game and seems to have some small amount of snowball effect. I need to play like 20 straight games with him to get an even better understanding. But yeah, I like him.
I consider C as average.
Take it with a grain a salt if you will. It’s more just to give a better understanding other than a literal average.
While I agree that some people miss Hag at their higher Tiers, I would not compare her to Nurse or Spirit. She is amazing, but gets [BAD WORD] by a few things:
Flashlights-->Yes, those might not be the most effective thing, but they can be annoying.
Urban Evasion-->Not run that much, but still.
Big Maps-->If the Map is too big, she might not even be able to teleport, lowering her Map Pressure because she will either have to focus on one area (which can work or not, depending on Survivors competence and their Spawn) or she will not be able to cover parts of the Map at all
Competent Survivors-->I think once you played a lot of DBD, you know things like crouching near Hooks, not running into the Basement when someone is hooked there, triggering her Traps when she is carrying someone, etc.
So while I agree that she is one of the Strongest Killers (at least Top 4 for me), I dont think that she can be compared to Nurse or Spirit.
I touched on flashlights, Urban, and competent survivors (how a god hag can still compete with them and such).
Big maps can be annoying, but never detrimental if you play your area right. The hope is gen spawn honestly. Because at times it forces you to let go at least 2 gens.
I mean most people don’t have hag at Spirit and Nurse level. It’s fair to think she’s isn’t. I personally just see her as god tier killer at her highest level. I’ve explained a million times why, so I won’t spend years on it. (You can check my previous posts on her if you already haven’t and want to).
Thanks for your feedback! You seem very experienced from what I’ve seem on these forums, which I love to see!
100% you can really slow the game down if you know how to use him correctly. I’m a demo main and I get 20k every time so that’s probably why I like him so much
"See this is what I mean. There is ALWAYS an S tier, because there will always be at least 1 character that is superior to all others. That character is the S tier. You compare all other characters to this character to rank them in the other tiers."
You are using a different basis for a tier list than I am. Just because one killer is better than the others does not make them inherently S tier. I do not build tier lists around the best killer in the game.
"S tier doesn't mean over powered or unbeatable, and F tier does not be completely worthless"
I don't think it does either.
"It's all relative, and you need at least 1 anchor point in order to sort a tier list."
There are different ways to build a tier list and that is yours.
"Even if the S tier killer is not that good they are still S tier by comparison to everyone else."
See this is the thing, I am not labeling my ranks based on the other killers, I am basing mine on their individual ability to perform.
"That's how a tier list works."
No, it is not. That is how your tier list is built.
"Even in games with superb balance will still have an S tier and F tier."
No, this is completely dependent on how the tier list is being built.
"So in a very balanced game, both S and F tiers are viable at high metas, just one is MORE viable than the other."
This is all under the assumption of the tier list being built by your criteria above, of which mine is not.
Sucks to see people sleeping on good ol' zappy boi. He's easily a B or C Killer once you get his shock timing down.
He can’t really compare with the killers in B tier (Plague, Myers, Ghostface, Demogorgon). He doesn’t really have much going for him :/
I am however very excited to see what changes they make to Doctor to make him better than he currently is.
I'd have to put Freddy on top, I'm yet to lose with him, red ranks are gen rushers, Freddy is anti gen rush, people actually has to play against the killer, Freddy is the only killer not at survivor mercy, at the moment, and that's bad, survivors should be at killers mercy
Nurse and Spirit aren’t at the survivors mercy. They are the power role in a chase.
I'm yet to die to either of them, too easy to counter
Hag S tier lmfao
Some nice constructive feedback there. ?
Maybe C? Idk, I like Doc but he just isn’t very good compared to other killers.
After i got good at hag, I've never lost a game with her. Very easy 4Ks EVERY game. Flashlights barely slow me down, and trying to run in and set off traps to "disarm" them always helps me. It's a free hit. I stopped playing her because she was too strong. No one complains about her because no one plays her, and those who do are absolute trash. I play survivor as much as i play killer, and as survivor, I've gone against one good hag, and it was Monto with bodyblocker hag. And he still messed up trap placements sometimes. Point is, no one complains because no one knows how good she is, there isn't a good, consistent example of it, and you can put her traps anywhere, so there are alot of plays you can make. Flashlights are a very soft counter to hag, and have a battery limit. The only thing that i would have a problem with is OoO flashlight, because then he actually knows where traps are, but then again, OoO is like signing a death wish...
I usually avoid saying something like this but. You’ve never faced a good one. They dominate red ranks for a reason.
Rank 17 is much different than Rank 1, I can assure you.
Everyone writes Myers off as weaker than GhostFace... when they're quite equal.