Yes, the entity lied basically to rin she will never get her revenge. However I doubt we would see Rin's father because when she was first recruited it was stated that her overwhelming rage was hard even for the entity to handle so they had to strike a deal even if it would never come to pass. I doubt the Entity would care to have one of it's killers go batshit on them by recruiting Rin's father. It's more likely the alchemist he may be strong but he is still human even if he is souped up on serum so they would need a weapon. And since he's been to the trials he would know exactly where to find one. That's my stupid theory at least.
So im reading from this your main objection is that he's a "murdering pos" and you reject him on moral grounds because he's such a terrible person.....which honestly sounds like a really good pitch for why he should be killer lol
i honestly really like your theory. we don't know if the entity "lied", especially since it has no reason not to keep its oath by letting Rin murder her dad over and over again, but i absolutely think you have a fantastic idea; if the alchemist was a former survivor, it would make sense that he would go back and pick up the katana. or, any hatchet in a locker. or some of the sharp rubble. or anything.hmmm tbh i don't want to think about it that hard.
nah, that's not it at all. i'm more oppposed to him because i think it would ruin spirit's lore, dbd's burgeoning lore, while also making her redundant from a design and thematic pov for the sake of something thats old news.
He shouldn't be a killer (We have spirit, we don't need another) He'd make a great survivor. We have so many survivors that are decent people, it'd be interesting to play someone who arguably belongs in the trials to be chased over and over again.
The Entity can make people see auras, who's to say she can't make people see what they desire most. Alas, there's no point arguing with you. You don't see reason and I can't make the blind see. Just know, when Rin's dad is added, you're gonna be one upset camper reading his lore.
Even if it's stupid I'm rolling with it because I want the Alchemist, the cutscene is kinda badass and the power I'd suspect he'd have (inject to go roid rage on survivors) is something I'd like to have. Could main him if he's good enough
Yeah but calling him a murdering POS kind of gives that impression. It also wouldn't ruin her lore it would add more depth and finally im not a dev but i seriously doubt they would make him a spirit clone. Like why would he be? Spirit is the way she is because after being cut up the entity made her that way
I don't think it would ruin the spirit's lore to much, I think that they can write him in and still keep the lore intact. All they have to do is say that the Entity possibly forged a memory for Rin when they offered her the deal to get revenge on her father to in turn become a killer in the trials.
If you look at Pamela Voorhees she was an innocent woman basically but her assault kind of made her a little crazy and when Jason's stepfather was abusing him that also pushed her over the edge to kill. After Jason's death she continued to murder anyone returning to open Camp Crystal Lake I guess technically she would be considered insane and their is no greater rage than a mother's heart broken by someone she loved, do you see where I'm going with this I'm sure Rin was angry but can you imagine the hate and sorrow her mother felt as her husband desecrated their entire life.
I created an account just to reply to all this nonsense.
There will never be a narrative payoff for Rin. She will never encounter her father. If you are expecting some sweeping story from this game, you are setting yourself for major disappointment. The backstories are only there to give loose context for killers. This game never has been about a grander story. Its a cheap asymmetrical online multiplayer game. Not a Hideo Kojima masterpiece of storytelling.
However, lore wise, I think its safe to assume that her deal with the entity for revenge will never be fulfilled. She is now a husk of what she used to be, filled with rage but little sentience and logic. She will eternally serve the entity, killing for it, never truly getting what she wants.
If she were ever able to get revenge, her spirit would pass on. Her rage would subside. And then she WOULD need to be deleted, to stay lore accurate. The entity has her wrapped around its finger as long as she doesnt exact her revenge.
Her story is meant to be a tragic one. A good person who is turned into a monster, lured in by false promises.
If her father were turned into a killer, she would never know. Killers dont have any contact with each other. She would still thirst for vengeance, but it wouldnt be any closer or further away for her than if her father wasnt a killer.
All of this is beside the point though. Why do you care so much about a tissue thin narrative that only exists to advertise a playstyle and theme for a multiplayer game? It's asinine to expect to learn more about characters in a game like this.
But did you read my theory ?
What if her dad becoming a killer enhances her vengeance?
THANK YOU! I'm so glad someone understands why she cannot have her revenge. I read this whole thread not knowing why people don't realize this
I was trying to say this before I gave up because the discussion was going nowhere. Just wanted to say thank you for laying it all out so sensibly and clearly, and better than I was able to.
I know it's a stupid idea, but it could possibly be the mom?
Look at her character model, how she switches between emotions, how macabre and broken she is.
Rational thought has more than likely been completely destroyed in her.
She's more than likely unable to comprehend anything beyond kill and destroy now that her rage has been ignited. She is a cataclysm in a broken body.
Onryos are similar in mythology. No matter what, the cursed being has become so corrupted by their anger, that is all they know.
It's not 'bad writing'
Rin is not an angry girl looking for vengeance.
She is rage and retribution incarnate. Nothing can appease her now that her wrath has been fully nurtured. Simple as that.
Like it could be a mother-daughter pair.
That's not a stupid idea. We don't know anything really about Rin's mother, so there's a lot more room to work with there. I'm not sure how they would go about making her distinct from the Spirit, though, in the way that killers normally are from one another. Two onryos seems a bit unnecessary.
Why are you "dreading" something that has barely been hinted at yet? We have absolutely no way of knowing what it is yet. I think you're getting ahead of yourself here, nothing has been confirmed yet
I think it'll be her mom-
I wouldn't be mad if he was a survivor. Wed finally get a survivor I wouldn't feel bad for hooking or mori'ing
Entity is an evil force and does not care.She will do everything for food.All killers and survivors are just pawns to her.So it makes sence that she brings him to the her realm since he had gone mad from killing his family.More killers to provide food?Sure.
But just because he is a killer doesnt mean she wouldnt be motivated by revenge. Sure the entity "promised" her vengeance but that doesnt mean she will ever get said vengeance as a matter of fact if she did get vengeance she would have no motivation to kill anymore. Just because he becomes empowered doesnt mean she ever finds out he becomes empowered for all she knows she just has to keep going on to doing the entitys bidding until shes done or the entitys done with her it doesnt destroy the lore it just shows that the entity only does what the entity wants to do the existence of rins father as a killer doesnt change anything
pretty sure one of the devs even said in a year 3 stream she wouldnt get revenge because thats the whole point of a "vengeful spirit"
No, I'm not. I'm operating under the assumption that their lore can be believed, otherwise who cares. Also, I don't know how else to say it: Revenge. REVENGE. It's not vague at all. She hates her dad. Honestly, I'm wasting my time with you. I'm not trying to condescend, but I honestly believe I'm being trolled, nobody is that thick...
Fibjean I'm sorry if I offended a real person, I'm just short on patience because I really can't believe anyone is thick enough to say '"blood and revenge" is all we know of the oath that was made, and that's incredibly vague." like no, it isn't vague, I gave you the definition of revenge. She wants revenge vs. dad. That's not possible with Killer dad. And if the Entity is just a liar, well, the lore sucks and we shouldn't trust anything we here: lying is bad, mmkay? And it makes for lame stories when anything can be retconned/disregarded. No weight or consequence to the writing, setup for no payoff, it's bad writing. Sorry if you're a real person and not a troll btw, I didn't want to offend.
I just hope it's a cool killer, strong enough to actually threaten survivors past rank 10.
I was thinking more of a cosmetic. Sort of like The Leigon. We don’t need a sword wielding Japanese dude who is most likely going to be the exact same. But same killer different outfit and voice. I could probably get behind that.
Like spirit changes? Like the ones the devs talked about during their live stream?
Can't wait to see how many people leave him on the hook to die.
Honestly that's one of the reasons I don't believe you could have a "bad guy" as a survivor. Also because the Entity feeds on "hope" it wouldn't make sense to have someone like Rin's dad be a survivor.
I also hope he ISN"T becoming a killer because I feel that would also just seem awkward.