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Players who DC: what will you do now?

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  • NobsydeNobsyde Member Posts: 1,258

    If the killer is camping / tunneling you, you are playing, it's just that you are not having fun and you are somehow passive - but still not inactive, and that's why if you can't accept that maybe DbD is just not the game for you (or at least, not survivor). I'll try to be more clear:

    Dodgeball - you get hit and are removed from the play field but not from the game. You are now a passive player, meaning you can't do anything until you get rescued. If you leave the game altogether, you are just messing up your team.

    Now back to DbD - if you are getting camped / tunneled and you DC, you are damaging your team, because they won't be able to punish the killer by gen rushing him.


    As for DC not being against the rules: it is. It was already a bannable offence, just read the game rules here in the forum if you don't trust me. The oncoming time out is not just to discourage, it's a penalty - only not a permanent ban.

    The threshold for the penalties will be lowered according to patch notes, but we don't know what the threshold is nor how long will the penalties last.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    I never said you could not help your team, I said it makes the player on the hook unable to play in the match.

    As a matter of fact I have held out myself when I have been camped, in fact I think every player would have done so at some point.

    However I don't all the time, I will stay until I get to the struggle then just die. I'm not going to stay there in every match I get camped.

    Camping is allowed but that does not mean people have to play along with it if they don't wish to. Again as I said in my first post the only reason people want their team mate to stay in a match they don't want to stay in is for their own selfish reasons. To get points or to be a distraction to the killer. Meanwhile that player is wasting their own time and will get a punishment of a de-pip.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    But to to that player, they don't feel like they are playing because they are doing nothing. People don't play dbd to sit on a hook for their time in one match. If you can't understand that, that's fine. We will agree to disagree.

    I don't feel like I am playing if I'm camped then die on the hook. If you do feel like you're playing in those circumstances that's great. :)

    Well if it's against the rules to leave even once then how very stupid. Lord help anyone with a power cut, guess they can expect a ban.

    I always thought it was not against the rules if below the threshold? Or have I got that wrong? Never known anyone get a ban for leaving a few matches tbh, have you?

    :)

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    That was because they didn’t know if the player left or it was a legit DC... dedicated severs are fixing that. Your power going down will be a temp ban, which won’t affect you since your power is out for a bit anyways right?

  • RevansithRevansith Member Posts: 367

    The the only way to sort this issue out is to let players leave a match without any punishment and back fill from the players waiting to que in solo. In other PVP games I play thats what happens. I am in an 8 x 8 and three people leave (maybe they dont like the map) and immediately they are replaced from solos in the que seeking a match. I have even joined a match seconds before it was over, although that is rare. But.. the big difference is the PVP game has ranked and unranked matches, and no player can play ranked till they reach a certain level of expertise.

    If Steam crashes and everyone is disconnected, surely everyone would have the five minute wait penalty? I made a cup of tea, find something else to do, like posting here.

  • NobsydeNobsyde Member Posts: 1,258
    edited November 2019

    @Thrrun

    But to to that player, they don't feel like they are playing because they are doing nothing. People don't play dbd to sit on a hook for their time in one match. If you can't understand that, that's fine. We will agree to disagree.

    Again, I'm not telling you that you should be having fun even in those situations. I'm telling you that those situations are part of the game - evidently you don't like the game as it is, you want to play something that do not exists right now (e.g. a game where you can't tunnel / camp / slug).

    The only solution is to play a Kill Your Friends game with your custom rules, but if you play a ranked match, you have to accept the game as a whole, if you don't you will be very frustrated and/or get banned depending on your behaviour.

    Well if it's against the rules to leave even once then how very stupid. Lord help anyone with a power cut, guess they can expect a ban.

    I always thought it was not against the rules if below the threshold? Or have I got that wrong? Never known anyone get a ban for leaving a few matches tbh, have you?

    I really don't understand your point.

    DC was against the rules, even if you were not getting banned? Yes.

    Will anything change, penalty wise, for DCers, lowering the threshold? Yes.

    A power outage is a one time thing, you'll never get banned for that.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    People joining mid game wouldn’t work for DBD, for a variety of reasons. That would be crazy for a survivor to use a toolbox with BNP then DC and their replacement had BNP too. Or you would into a Freddy game with ruin still up and three stacks of Thana, six stacks of dying light...the list goes on and it’s not good for either side

  • MightyDwightMightyDwight Member Posts: 156


    Imagine downing someone for their third hook, and they DC in your arms, and someone fills in who has to be hooked 3 times all over again.

    I'd rage so hard. 😂

  • RevansithRevansith Member Posts: 367

    You make good points. I wonder if the fact a team mate disconnects would allow the game to say "ok thats bad that happened, but we want you to have fun without worrying about depipping due to the selfish act of another player. In the same way a killer disconnecting at any time in the trial will end the match but survivors do not depip.

  • MightyDwightMightyDwight Member Posts: 156

    I honestly think habitual DCers (people who DC over a threshold) should be put in a DC-only queue with other habitual DCers. They are not told they are in this queue (or they would promptly play properly only to get back into normal queue).

    They only get out of the queue by completing a number of matches to get over a threshold again. Until they play like normal people, they have to play with people who DC just like they do.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    Is this a known fact or just guessing? I'm sure if someone clicks the leave match button, they know it was not a power cut.

    As it happens you are right this won't affect me. We don't get power cuts that often here. However if the game crashed and I got a temp ban, I would just laugh anyway. But that being said let's not pretend the time out is a ban now lol. It's a time out from match making not the game as a whole as far as I know? Or have I got that wrong?

    :)

  • NobsydeNobsyde Member Posts: 1,258

    it's a temporary ban, which will escalate the further you DC, eventually to a permanent one.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    It’s in the patch notes, and peanits has address it his posts repeatedly over the past few months.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    I've suggest this before too, if you are so adamant that DCing is okay for certain situations then you won't mind being put in a queue so you only get paired with other people who DC right? @Thrun I'm curious what you think about this, not trying to attacking you but you're stating if you don't feel like you're getting to "play the game," then it's okay to leave. Would you mind being paired with other people who DC as well, I'm guessing not because everyone in the DC lobbies would feel their reasons were justified but the reasons that their teammates DC on them are not valid.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    I disagree with you that it's how the game is meant to be played. They did not make this game for one player to sit on the hook from the start of the match until they die and de-pip. However if you believe that is how infact it's meant to be then what can I do? I'm not going to try and sell you something you don't want to buy now am I.

    I have never said I don't like dbd, in fact I said I liked the game very much. I said I won't be a part of toxic gameplay. And I never will be a part of it, this time out timer will change nothing on that front and not just for me.

    Getting camped, slugged, tunneled is fine as long as it's part of good gameplay. If it's used in a toxic way, I will not be a part of that. I have never once said I dc from a match everytime I come up against those things. If I did I would have been banned years ago. However I do dc at times. I have never got even a warning because it's something I don't do a lot but that does not change the fact, I have and will continue todo so under circumstances I deed fit. I'm not asking for you to agree with me on anything.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    Fair enough, I did not think it was a ban from the game as a whole. I only thought it affected match making but clearly I must have gotten that wrong. :)

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    The thing is you’re going based on what you “feel is right,” whereas people who camp/tunnel are playing by real rules the devs have stated.

  • NobsydeNobsyde Member Posts: 1,258
    edited November 2019

    If you DC only against very toxic killers you will probably never face real consequences, since they are really not that common, hence I don't really see what are we arguing for :).


    I suspect, but I can be 100% wrong on this, that you think even things like proxy camping is toxic, slugging to wait for DS, or maybe downing two times the same survivor even if the killer can't find another one and/or you are obviously the easiest to chase. In this case you will probably DC too much and get banned (probably not permanently though).

  • ThasardThasard Member Posts: 267

    It will be interesting to see if more killers stick it out when they're missing hit after hit like I do, or feel like they're getting gen rushed. That's about all this does because even though I still see survivors killing themselves because they got downed, I still see plenty of survivors that try to get themselves off the hook and then kill themselves on first hook.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    John I completely agree with this as it happens. I think Dwight is right in that you should be put with others who are likewise. I don't feel I dc enough but then again maybe I do? I don't know the threshold tbh. I don't know if that information is out there?

    I would not mind being put in matches with people who dc, tbh I would say 4 out of 10 matches I play people DC anyway. I have addressed this before.

    The thing is it's hard to talk about this too much due to rules here. However what I will say is this game needs more transparency for both sides. Survivors should be able to know which killer it is before the match starts. Killers should be able to know if it's a swf and how many are together.

    Both these problems lead to dcs happening. Not seeing the killer does not make anyone play against a killer they don't want and this new timer won't change that. Same with swf, it does not take the killer long to work out it's a swf and dc. Now of course there are more reasons but I will leave it there.


    But yes I would be more then happy to be put in a "dc" lobby. :)

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    I never DC as killer, I was once stuck in a pallet and I didn't even DC just let the survivors finish their gens and leave. A few even let me have free hits by coming over to me and apologize for the bug post game. If they gen rush you then you open the door and the game is over in 2 more minutes, and you'll at least get some points for chases.

    I feel like most people's definition of tunneling and camping is very broad based on how many people claim the killer camps and tunnels 99% of the games their in.

    If the whole team suicide bombs the hook to save the person I hooked two seconds ago that's not camping. I literally have no reason to move when I know where all 4 survivors are at.

    If you get unhooked, plop on to the nearest gen, and don't even attempt to run when I come back that is not tunneling. If you give even the slightest hint of trying to escape I will let you go, but I am not giving you a free pass to work on the gen just because you're the last person I hooked.

    If I chase a survivor and they run right to you, unhook you midchase, and I down them I will probably down you immediately as well unless they have BT. I won't hook you, but I will leave you there so the team has to waste time unhooking one person and healing another.

  • MightyDwightMightyDwight Member Posts: 156


    The problem is that so many people will DC on first hook, or DC when downed, and then say 'Well, the Killer was being TOXIC!'

    I once had a person DC as the 4th Survivor downed. Like, the precise second I downed him, he DC'd. He then claimed 'Campers don't get 4Ks' in end game chat.

    ..I was playing Hag. I'd place ONE trap near hooked Survivors, and then I'd go look for Survivors and kick gens.

    But in his mind; I was toxic because I used my power & all 4 were too stupid to crouch when nearing hooked Survivors after it happened the 10th time.

  • ThrrunThrrun Member Posts: 39

    John, what can I say to that other then I have never said or tried to say it's against any rule to camp or tunnel.

    Likewise leave a match is still a option an will continue to be one, yes with a time out now but still a option. If a player is abusing that option then that's for the devs or whomever to deal with.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    Side note, I would like to thank you for such a good conversion... no name calling, etc I think you make a lot of strong points and I am not ever sure I am “right,” I only give my view on things.

    youre right though we don’t have enough info to be sure of anything, the SWF issue looms for me on Both sides too because I feel it’s hard on killers and solo survivor gives up a lot compared to SWF

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 5,881

    I'm pumped for these changes.

    It'll be hilarious to watch the forums after the trash starts taking itself out.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    True on this, just because I don't feel like I DC I can't say I'll never have a game where I feel it is the correct thing to do. I try not to because I feel it could hurt my team, but there may be a time when my mental state requires I quit a game.

  • SleepharthaSleephartha Member Posts: 242

    To the original question: I will let myself die on hook when able. If I'm stuck in the environment or am slugged and left on the ground until the killer feels like he's gotten his value out of me then I guess I just have to sit there and be miserable (thanks devs). If I have griefing teammates then I will grief them back since I can't just remove myself anymore (thanks devs).

    I don't feel that the devs thoughtfully considered the issue of why survivors DC and whether it's reasonable and fair to punish them for it. Here's why people DC:

    • Game Glitches (no skill check meters, stuck in environment, etc)
    • Internet/Steam/PSN issues
    • Terrible teammates (farm, potato, grief, etc)
    • Toxic killer (slugs, tunnels, camps, OP addons [Iri Head, Cox Clapper, Scratched Mirror, etc])
    • RL Issues make you leave

    Reasonable people should agree that the 1st 3 reasons are outside of the players control and forcing someone to play through them is unreasonable and honestly somewhat cruel. "Sorry your teammate is working with the killer and farming you, just wait. It'll be over eventually". "Sorry the 3 man swf you joined with feels like playing hide and seek and not doing anything, just wait. It'll be over eventually." "Sorry we can't code very well and you're stuck on a tree or can't see any skill checks. Just wait, the killer will find you eventually."

    But the 4th reason frankly aggravates me the most since it will forever go unaddressed by the devs. Killers have WAY too much leeway in this game to make it a miserable gaming experience for survivors. I don't mean tough games, I mean mean-spirited toxic games. I would guess appx 20% of my games involve slugging the 3rd to find the 4th. And often this turns into a drama of getting healed just as the killer returns to slug you again. It's the most annoying, frustrating thing in the game. But don't dare DC in this situation and ruin the experience for the killer...

    And if he wants to camp/tunnel you for his own reasons and make sure you get minimal points, just endure it for the good of the team. Be the martyr. Don't dare ruin that killer's right to have unsportsmanlike fun at your expense.

    And OP Addons... I've long railed against these basically free slaughterfests for the killer at the survivors' expense. Mediocre players running them is often counterable. But a very good killer using them is just getting a free game and you have no options but to be a hapless pawn while they slaughter you one by one, usually in combo with an ebony mori. "Hey c'mon! Don't quit! Can't you have fun letting the killer have his special game at your expense?"

    So is it REALLY unreasonable to DC in these situations? No. Is it unreasonable to expect your teammates to understand that it's one of these situations? No. I stopped caring when someone on my team DCs long ago. Why? Empathy. And I can choose to continue to earn BPs and play a tougher game or I can DC myself. It's a non-issue.

    I think the devs are addressing the wrong problem and making the problems they SHOULD be addressing even worse because they're forcing players who used to just exit from the situation to endure the situation instead.

  • BunnyTheHuttBunnyTheHutt Member Posts: 1,773

    This, or they'll get on another account and do it all over again.

  • ThasardThasard Member Posts: 267

    That's great, but I've had lots of killer DCs. It happens. But glad you're not one of them.

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