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  • OmansOmans Member Posts: 419

    It's frustrating seeing the same nurse mains make post after post after post about the nurse changes when I can guarantee the vast majority of people are fine with them.

    I played a game with her yesterday at rank 1. 4k on farm map. The only mistake the survivors made was 2 of them spawning next to each other. Nurse can still end chases SUPER fast. She still is very strong. She is just now harder to play. Just adapt. Stop making posts. Practice more instead. Or claim that she is no fun and throw her away because you can't 4k on a whim anymore.

  • AvarikuAvariku Member Posts: 608

    the lowest avg killrate is still around 65% and many players are still spouting the killer pity-party crap.

    it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic...

    "killers clearly need massive buffs across the board, 1-2 escapes in even one round is unacceptable." /s

  • StevePerryPsychOutStevePerryPsychOut Member Posts: 168

    Was about to say the same thing lowest kill rate across the board is 55% besides nurse. Kill rates seem to spike significantly in red ranks where all the "gen rushing" and "swf death squads" reside. I think given the statistics it's safe to say that the pendulum has swung the other way from DBD's early days.

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,432

    Why is that I keep seeing "nurse got a rework"

    Rework example-----> freddy, a whole new killer prettymuch.... actually is a completely new killer...

    Nerf example-----> Nurse... added an additional few seconds before blinking again... the power is the same... she was not reworked.

  • PickCollinsPickCollins Member Posts: 495

    A 60% killrate is a 2K on average. Your killrate per match is either 0/25/50/75/100% of the survivors.

    Nurse's killrate is statistically one of the worst in the game for red ranks. Where the best Nurse players lie. BHVR says her killrate is climbing back up, but we can't be sure of that. All I have been getting from the devs is the same equivocating responses that roughly translate to "We don't care enough about this issue to monitor it but if we say that you'll get pissed so here's this BS statement we're gonna give you that is contradictory to what we've done previously".

    The only killer she out-performs is Demogorgon and Clown. I think that is very telling regarding this rework, and that very telling message is that it was a failure.

    The Hag statement I had made was taking into context her low popularity despite her high killrate. Many top level players rate Hag as a very strong killer who is just short of being one of the best killers in the game. I had said "the only reason" because I can't think of any reason behind her low popularity besides her playstyle simply not being a fun playstyle. Statistically she performs well, but she isn't a very popular killer.

    Also I am fully aware of the graph that puts Nurse as the only killer with a sub 50% killrate. That's why I did not use it. There is another graphic that has the statistics for killers in red ranks. I used that for my analysis. And that graph very clearly states the only killers Nurse is outperforming statistically are Demogorgon and Clown. I understand Nurse is a controversial killer, so any change that doesn't instantly dumpster her into the F tier is gonna be seen as "not enough" to limit her from being the best. But let me ask you to imagine being in my shoes.

    You grind, hundreds upon hundreds into thousands of hours to learn Nurse and get to R1 with her. Sympathetic to the addon rework becuase you knew it was necessary, only for an extra basekit nerf that a VERY small minority of people wanted. Now imagine the time it takes to adjust thousands of hours of muscle memory for the change. I know I constantly get the "if you spam blinks ur a bad Nurse" but that's the thing. You can't NOT spam blinks. You need them else you have map pressure inferior to Clown, statistically the weakest killer in the game.

    Does that not at all make you rethink the "she's the best killer still" statement. Nurse mains say she isn't. The stats, which do not lie, say she isn't. What more do you need? Do you need Nurse herself to come flying out of the screen to grab you by the throat and scream "buff me you pieces of [BAD WORD]"?

    Honestly I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish. The most vocal Survivor opinions about Nurse was always "I can't loop. OP", and BHVR has even said complaints about something will draw attention to it. Complaints about Nurse drew attention to her. But what were those complaints? They were Omegablink and 3/4/5 Blinks. Barely ever were survivors saying "Nurse just beat us with no addons? Damn Nurse is so broken and unfair there's no counterplay!", and that was because that statement is false.

  • UncannyLuckUncannyLuck Member Posts: 210
    edited November 2019

    >A 60% killrate is a 2K on average. Your killrate per match is either 0/25/50/75/100% of the survivors.

    That's uhh... that's not how percentages work with averages. Also, it's 65.8% which is closer to 70% than it is to 60% if we're rounding.

    But you already had your conclusion before the data even came out, and you're fudging it to fit your conclusion (see: calling 65.8% "60%") so I don't know that there's much discussion to be had here.

    EDIT: For those curious, 65.8% ~= 2.6 kills per round. Previously, she had 72.71 ~= 2.9 kills per round. So that long post is saying the Nurse is terrible because she now gets 1 fewer kills every 4 rounds on average.

  • edgarpoopedgarpoop Member Posts: 2,206
    edited November 2019


  • UncannyLuckUncannyLuck Member Posts: 210

    "Among the lowest"

    She's picked more than nearly half the cast (7 killers are picked less than her at red ranks)

    "kill rate is among the lowest"

    By a kill every 5 rounds, compared to the average.

    By the way you're measuring, even if she had her kill rate at 72% like it previously was it'd still be 'among the lowest' since it'd only be better than 8/17 killers.

  • CrowFoxyCrowFoxy Member Posts: 1,205
  • PoochkipsPoochkips Member Posts: 207

    "Statistically, the Clown, Demogorgon, and Nurse have the lowest kill rates in red ranks." Recently right because before the nerf im pretty sure she was near the highest

  • OmansOmans Member Posts: 419

    Plus her kill rate is definitely lower right now because many people who aren't very well-versed in nurse wanted to try out her changes.

    I saw many people just fooling around with her new addons, especially the one that makes you an m1 killer after the first blink hit.

    It is guaranteed that her kill rate will be higher the next time stats are released.

    But as always, nurse mains want it all about them. Demogorgon has a very low kill rate, but literally no one would argue he is in a bad spot. He is a very good killer, and everyone puts him in high B or A tier. Where is the outcry for the demogorgon, nurse mains? By your metrics, he needs help. Oh, he's fine? I guess picking and choosing which stats you want to discuss isn't a very effective way of talking about a killer's strength...

  • LagoniLagoni Member Posts: 172

    What I want to know is, does DC's count as kills in their statistics? Cause a lot of people just DC as soon as they find out they are going against spirit or Freddy

  • dont_ask_me_againdont_ask_me_again Member Posts: 490

    Does this mean survivors can get some buffs? 70% winrate to killers and 2 of my main killers sitting at the bottom lmao.

  • UxoricideUxoricide Member Posts: 218

    @Omans blames nurses for being selfish when sharing feedback then gives feedback regarding demogorgon... makes sense...

  • UxoricideUxoricide Member Posts: 218

    @Lagoni somebody said devs aren't accounting for dc's in the stats

  • AkhatenAkhaten Member Posts: 67

    Instead of making fun of others comments why not share your "research" on spirit since you said you don't balance only on numbers. Also why are you all silent about nurse and why not explain the stats that are showing her as a weak killer now or give a reason why she is not that weak despite the low killrate in comparison with the others. @not_Queen care to join the discussion or are you hiding as always?

  • MarcusMarcus Member Posts: 2,047

    She is not by far the strongest, especially not without add-ons.

  • OmansOmans Member Posts: 419
    edited November 2019

    @Uxoricide it's a comparison. But I understand nurse players don’t like being compared to other killers. Spent so long so far above other killers it must be tough to simply only be tied at the top with spirit now..

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  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,065

    The devs didn't say only addons in the beginning either. They said "addons and other minor changes".

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 2,081

    Okay how do you gurantee that? What will you do if the majority isn't? So please explain i am very curious to see that. So go ahead deliver proof and fullfill your gurantee.

    Yes one game in red ranks is proof now. You know what? According to your flawed logic survivors have to be nerfed into the ground because currently we are wooping a 75-90% escape rate in my swf (this is average for each of the 4 of us).

    Imagine to be so lul to jump to conclusions from a single game against survivors who might be potatoes for all we know, you honestly want to tell me they didn't make a single mistake? I doubt it upload the video of that game, you tell stories that are simply not true at all. I mostly play survivor you know and everytime I see a friend of mine play with randoms who last 20seconds or shorter in a chase with a nurse i know and see that they suck donkeyballs. How is it me and the people I chose to play with can last longer in a chase and run that killer around? Because bad nurse ofc that will be the point right?

    As for your gurantee:

  • DwightOPDwightOP Member Posts: 2,329

    "GoOd NuRsEs WiLl sTiLl dOMiNaTe"

    Rip nurse, who would have thought she will ever be as worse as clown.. And we all know how clown struggles against a strong team, 1 kill at best..

  • DwightOPDwightOP Member Posts: 2,329

    Small change btw. Nurse still strongest killer in the game btw.

    Yeah it's really pathetic, seems like all the feedback of the nurse mains were legit and right.

  • PickCollinsPickCollins Member Posts: 495

    The sad thing and most infuriating thing is that instead of acknowledging that she is barely better than Clown and Demo, all we get is the same equivocating BS that Legion mains were fed.

    Except I think Nurse mains are gonna have to wait a couple decades before they ever decide she's worth addressing.

    Honestly I don't know what the devs think a successful rework looks like. Freddy was a successful rework. In fact I'd say with these stats you could make an argument he was too successful. Nurse was an abject dumpster fire of a rework. Nurse mains hate it and think it's unfun, the stats show it hurt her like a ton of bricks.

    Honestly, what more does BHVR need? Does Nurse herself need to come flying out of the screen and Mori Peanits in front of the dev team to convince them she needs help?

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,432

    No... the team actually sees Billy as the balance standard for the killers. The only thing that's going to happen to Billy is his addons will be updated.

  • PickCollinsPickCollins Member Posts: 495

    They said the Nurse will get her addons updated.

    We all know what "addon update" means now lol.

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,432

    The team confirmed that base kit changes were coming on stream... if changes are coming to the base kit of one of the OG's and favorite, bhvr will announce em... Doc should be next... the list from the Q&A shows Doc, chainsaw killers and then Mikey

  • se05239se05239 Member Posts: 3,920

    ..speaking of infuriating..

    @Peanits, why did you (not like you-you) merge all the statistics (apart from Nurse's own) from each platform into one bloody mess? No platform treats their killers the same, so merging all of them together screws up the end result.

    There's a reason why people don't take Behavior as a whole seriously. Why memes like "pretty good job" and such run rampant.

  • PickCollinsPickCollins Member Posts: 495

    "she's picked more than nearly half the cast"

    10 killers see more play than her at red ranks. Also her pickrate, if you look at the graph, borderline overlaps with Clown and Demogorgon. You are just as likely to find a red rank Nurse as you are to find a red rank Demogorgon. Think about that.

    "By a kill every 5 rounds, compared to the average.

    "By the way you're measuring, even if she had her kill rate at 72% like it previously was it'd still be 'among the lowest' since it'd only be better than 8/17 killers."

    Dude I will bet like a solid $50 that you are probably one of the people who thought the idea that Clown could get more than a 2K at red rank is inconceivable. Yet when these stats come out that show he averages more than that, there isn't talk of "wow Clown isn't as weak as we thought he was". No in fact people are like "wow Clown is statistically the worst killer in the game".

    Guess what? Nurse barely outperforms him. Nurse isn't the strongest killer in the game if she is barely beating out the literal weakest.

  • PickCollinsPickCollins Member Posts: 495

    They said basekit changes will be "minimal' and if I remember correctly they also said they will be "very calculated and measured" in their changes.

    Sloppily throwing on an extra cooldown to the same power, calling it a day, and now refusing to acknowledge what your rework did statistically isn't calculated or measured. It's lazy and disrespectful to the people who had faith they would keep their word on this rework.

  • PickCollinsPickCollins Member Posts: 495

    Given how you blatantly mischaracterized Tru3 when he was giving advice on how to counter Spirit I'd say ur Rhetoric is close enough to being a survivor main.

    It's okay. I used to be one too. Then I woke up.

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