I was merely saying "Yes, this got alot of views and feedback and it wasn't looked at." It had nothing to do with it being my thread. I went there to ask if they had looked at ANY of the threads about Legion, not just mine. Then I contributed to the thread with what he said. So once again, you are just trying to upset me, and failing terribly.
What encouraged the downwards spiral or no return was due to devs being silent and making changes they COMMUNITY DIDNT AGREE WITH. Remember when they made the mistake of buffing drop rates and everyone loved it? And major outcry happened when the devs changed it back and didn't listen? Remember when the devs wen't silent for months post release during a critical time of tension leading to MASSIVE player drop off's? Yeah I remember it too.
See my comment above re: asking the community about upcoming changes. They do give answers. You're telling yourself they don't because it fits the picture you're trying to paint, but I don't know what you think Peanits' 4k+ comments on the forums are doing if not answering players' questions.
Also, if you think it's a matter of backbone, maybe think about how you would feel if thousands of people were constantly abusing you every single day, calling you trash and an idiot and a liar, and then tell me that anyone who is affected by that just needs to grow a backbone.
He wasn't harassing devs on stream, and I am addressing your post to his post. Your foresight here is literally appalling, your assumptions flawed, and the fact that you cannot admit your error in the situation hurts your argument entirely
Number one you are overexaggerating by one large margin.
Two there is a difference between answering a question about a hot topic controversial issue that the game dev's themselves made due to their lack of communication and foresight. And him answering questions like correcting people on official statements made by the developers or answering easy to answer non controversial questions or just miscellaneous responses
You know.. many people talked about nurse nerf with "calm and collected" manner. They even listed out all reasons why it is bad during the PTB, even now.
Guess what? NOTHING was changed from PTB to live besides nerfing her cooldown add-ons more. And they decide to go dark and ignore every threads about nurse.
So it proved that no matter how you talk to them, they will not listen, especially something that is beneficial to killers. (Look at how long it took to nerf DS and buff freddy)
Just think about it all that wan't to criticize, you spend your fair hard earned money on a digital character that is intended to entertain you, you love character his design power everything and the developers of said product, despite your feedback, despite your money decides.... hey let's do what the community doesn't ask for any constantly change the original character you spent money on into a realm of utter weakness compared to his original self, the community originally asked to make legion more fun for both sides... the devs have yet to do that. And you are the unlucky sucker that loved that character and feels now swindled.
I cannot speak for them personally, I do not represent BHVR. I'm just sharing my perspective on the OP.
Now regarding the legion changes...based on my opinion...
From my input, streamers were bringing up how OG Legion was going to come back based on some perks and what not.
Original Legion, was apparently not good for the game health...
Do we bring back original ganstar legion which would affect a bigger portion of the playerbase or do we focus on on the minority of Legion players...again, this is just my opinion...
So they made a quick fix patch that nerfs legion even harder for the moment because they created a perk that affected legion in such a way because they lacked foresight... omg these devs are somethin special.
They really are. Killer nerfs come swiftly. Survivor nerfs take time and need to be worked over and made sure its the correct response to the situation. Mettle of Man took a month before it was fixed. Deep wounds was changed before release so it wouldn't work with BoP and Nemesis.
Again, you cannot take my viewpoint as representative of BHVR, as I'm limited to the same info the majority of the players. It's very possible they are taking into account some type of future state of the game that we are not aware of...
Or, even just do the same thing with some kinda hint or something that Legion would be reworked or helped after. That's all i want. I want to know that they will do something to help Legion and the other lower Tier Killers be good. That's all.
The honest truth of it all is that if Behaviors' game didn't have a monopoly on the genre, Dead by Daylight would be nowhere near as popular as it is right now. There's no better alternative out there for the players, and Behavior knows that.
because he was rational; collected, thought about what he was saying.
I've seen them respond to numerous Legion threads, say EXACTLY what the reasons were.
As for the AMA we know they can't answer every one of them but I bet they answer all the main ones, I bet they talk about Legion, about Oni, about all of the major topics; because they HAVE to pick the most important ones they can't answer everything.
I totally agree with you, and you seem like a reasonable person. Just wanted to say that it might be a good idea to edit that first word - even though it's not censored by the profanity filer, one of the syllables in it is, so it may still be considered too vulgar for the forums. Better to be safe than sorry, I figure! 😊
Constructive criticism is what devs focus on because, guess what, it is constructive. Destructive feedback is useful only to let other people you're upset.
The best way to get the attention of a company is not through the use of Pathos. To spike pity or guilt doesn't work, and it looks like you are upset and not thinking about it calmly.
Try laying out your suggestion free of personal emotion, and in a structure that is clear and understandable.
See if you get results this way.
(I've read Ulven's post. I would have concluded that the post would be a little on the bias side because of the tone.)
I've done my own bit of forum browsing suggestions and forwarding to the dev team myself, it's quite tiring. And not everyone can be catered to.
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I was merely saying "Yes, this got alot of views and feedback and it wasn't looked at." It had nothing to do with it being my thread. I went there to ask if they had looked at ANY of the threads about Legion, not just mine. Then I contributed to the thread with what he said. So once again, you are just trying to upset me, and failing terribly.
What encouraged the downwards spiral or no return was due to devs being silent and making changes they COMMUNITY DIDNT AGREE WITH. Remember when they made the mistake of buffing drop rates and everyone loved it? And major outcry happened when the devs changed it back and didn't listen? Remember when the devs wen't silent for months post release during a critical time of tension leading to MASSIVE player drop off's? Yeah I remember it too.
Lol, no, I just kept playing Warframe and let that trainwreck crash and burn on its own.
See my comment above re: asking the community about upcoming changes. They do give answers. You're telling yourself they don't because it fits the picture you're trying to paint, but I don't know what you think Peanits' 4k+ comments on the forums are doing if not answering players' questions.
Also, if you think it's a matter of backbone, maybe think about how you would feel if thousands of people were constantly abusing you every single day, calling you trash and an idiot and a liar, and then tell me that anyone who is affected by that just needs to grow a backbone.
He wasn't harassing devs on stream, and I am addressing your post to his post. Your foresight here is literally appalling, your assumptions flawed, and the fact that you cannot admit your error in the situation hurts your argument entirely
Exactly, that's another play who wasn't playing anthem.
Also, I've never harassed anyone. You seem to enjoy doing it though.
Number one you are overexaggerating by one large margin.
Two there is a difference between answering a question about a hot topic controversial issue that the game dev's themselves made due to their lack of communication and foresight. And him answering questions like correcting people on official statements made by the developers or answering easy to answer non controversial questions or just miscellaneous responses
You know.. many people talked about nurse nerf with "calm and collected" manner. They even listed out all reasons why it is bad during the PTB, even now.
Guess what? NOTHING was changed from PTB to live besides nerfing her cooldown add-ons more. And they decide to go dark and ignore every threads about nurse.
So it proved that no matter how you talk to them, they will not listen, especially something that is beneficial to killers. (Look at how long it took to nerf DS and buff freddy)
Just think about it all that wan't to criticize, you spend your fair hard earned money on a digital character that is intended to entertain you, you love character his design power everything and the developers of said product, despite your feedback, despite your money decides.... hey let's do what the community doesn't ask for any constantly change the original character you spent money on into a realm of utter weakness compared to his original self, the community originally asked to make legion more fun for both sides... the devs have yet to do that. And you are the unlucky sucker that loved that character and feels now swindled.
I cannot speak for them personally, I do not represent BHVR. I'm just sharing my perspective on the OP.
Now regarding the legion changes...based on my opinion...
From my input, streamers were bringing up how OG Legion was going to come back based on some perks and what not.
Original Legion, was apparently not good for the game health...
Do we bring back original ganstar legion which would affect a bigger portion of the playerbase or do we focus on on the minority of Legion players...again, this is just my opinion...
So they made a quick fix patch that nerfs legion even harder for the moment because they created a perk that affected legion in such a way because they lacked foresight... omg these devs are somethin special.
They really are. Killer nerfs come swiftly. Survivor nerfs take time and need to be worked over and made sure its the correct response to the situation. Mettle of Man took a month before it was fixed. Deep wounds was changed before release so it wouldn't work with BoP and Nemesis.
Again, you cannot take my viewpoint as representative of BHVR, as I'm limited to the same info the majority of the players. It's very possible they are taking into account some type of future state of the game that we are not aware of...
Or, even just do the same thing with some kinda hint or something that Legion would be reworked or helped after. That's all i want. I want to know that they will do something to help Legion and the other lower Tier Killers be good. That's all.
I can't argue with that.
Which part of my comment is an overexaggeration?
The honest truth of it all is that if Behaviors' game didn't have a monopoly on the genre, Dead by Daylight would be nowhere near as popular as it is right now. There's no better alternative out there for the players, and Behavior knows that.
They're afraid to upset parts of the community. That's why they're not 100% transparent.
The devs at every community event: "This isn't our game anymore, it belongs to the community"
Also the devs: *digs legion up out of his shallow, unmarked grave only to bury him in a deeper, more difficult to discover, unmarked grave*
Bull$***.
So long as you are not acting like a clown, they generally do listen. They took this guys feedback right to the team directly: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/110693/a-couple-of-qol-improvements-that-would-make-legion-a-lot-better-devs-please-read#latest
because he was rational; collected, thought about what he was saying.
I've seen them respond to numerous Legion threads, say EXACTLY what the reasons were.
As for the AMA we know they can't answer every one of them but I bet they answer all the main ones, I bet they talk about Legion, about Oni, about all of the major topics; because they HAVE to pick the most important ones they can't answer everything.
I totally agree with you, and you seem like a reasonable person. Just wanted to say that it might be a good idea to edit that first word - even though it's not censored by the profanity filer, one of the syllables in it is, so it may still be considered too vulgar for the forums. Better to be safe than sorry, I figure! 😊
Thank you.
Constructive criticism is what devs focus on because, guess what, it is constructive. Destructive feedback is useful only to let other people you're upset.
Despite your temper tantrum getting 75 upvotes, it was still a temper tantrum. Behave like an adult and you will be treated like an adult.
They afraid to say they messed up legion
Part of it feels like they don't wanna say anything they'll regret, it'd look bad if they said one thing and did the opposite.
The one thing people are forgetting is that with enough public outcry this will make the devs notice.
They can label it bias all they want, but they can't ignore it if the playerbase is putting pressure on them.
Additionally,
The best way to get the attention of a company is not through the use of Pathos. To spike pity or guilt doesn't work, and it looks like you are upset and not thinking about it calmly.
Try laying out your suggestion free of personal emotion, and in a structure that is clear and understandable.
See if you get results this way.
(I've read Ulven's post. I would have concluded that the post would be a little on the bias side because of the tone.)
I've done my own bit of forum browsing suggestions and forwarding to the dev team myself, it's quite tiring. And not everyone can be catered to.
It's really cute how yall keep trying to make me mad.