There is nothing developers can do about tunneling & camping, as much as people dislike it, there's nothing to be done.
At the point a killer decides to camp they've already agreed with themselves that they're unlikely to get many points or "win" any negative penalty given to a killer is therefore null.
You'll just have to deal with the minimal amount of killers that do camp, I've heard it's worse on console but again, nothing developers can do.
My suggestion (which is not mine, but that of another) is not to prevent the Entity's progress on the hook when the killer is close to the hooked survivor. Ideas evolve!
The suggestion is: to prevent the Entity's progression on the hook when the killer is close to the hooked survivor AND if there is no survivor in that same proximity to the hook.
Yes, it's very simple, it seems obvious, but you had to think about it...
Technically, this also implies other changes, but these are complicated details. If the killer still sees, yes or no, the progress of the Entity on the hooked survivor for example...
Abuses described are not possible since progression only stops if the killer is alone. This requires some adaptation of the survivors (that they understand that they must move away from the hook first) to force the killer to move away too.
This solution seems to me to be a fair immunity.
Judging with how you respond to people who are simply pointing out a problem that is very prevalent across all ranks myself made it to rank 1 multiple times and yet still the most common playstyle is facecamp then tunnel you talk about using perks to counter it but borrowed time only works if you can get the unhook and even then borrowed time only helps you for a short time if you cant escape and heal up after getting hit and tunneled as soon as your unhooked you're still going to die killers need to be punished for facecamping and tunneling and i dont mean as a perk because as the game stands these days its too far killer sided i play both and get frequent 4ks and thats without camping or tunneling all theyve really done is stopped a killer getting an emblem and a few bloodpoints plenty of killers ive come acroos whilst playing survivor literally facecamp on purpose they literally have the words toxic etc in their bios ive had several people in high ranks dc simply because of a facecamp because they know theyre getting nowhere in that game and now with this new ban all theyre going to do is kill themselves on hook leaving those who remain at an even bigger disadvantage your "solutions" dont help at all because its simple for killers to work around those perks
Ive had a lengthy discussion with my friends about this exact problem and the easiest solution weve found is to punish the killer for camping and tunneling an example we came up with is if the killer is within close proximity to the survivor for a set amount of time with no other survivor within a set distance the survivor should be able to escape the hook in any stage and get a borrowed time effect to punish the killer further only if the survivor is being tunneled and the borrowed time effect would end upon the killer exiting the chase of course this could be disabled during the endgame as a balance
Me and my friends have discussed this at length and the solution we came up with for punishing camping and tunneling is if the killer is within a set distance from the killer for a set time as long as there are no other survivors within a set distance the survivor should be able to escape from the hook at any stage and receive an endurance status effect if they are being tunneled which would end when the killer leaves the chase this could be disabled during the endgame to balance it
the devs have said camping and tunneling are legit strategies. Remember, if a killer can only focus on 1 out of 4 players...the 3 that are not being camped have choices to make...
Just stop assuming you have three lives when you are playing survivor and you will be fine. Assume going down once = death unless your god combo of perks is ready to go. Because that's how it is going to play out in solo Q most of the time. The killer won't even be camping and your team will still let you hit half sometimes.
Camping is a strategy. I know a twitch.tv user who says it best, "Why would I leave the area if all the survivors are right here!"
I play games where I am the furthest on the map so I just work my gen. I see a bunch of people go down and pop back up. These FOOLS keep playing games with the killer ... and then they complain that I didn't help! Well, I wasn't getting involved in that crap! We lost a survivor, if we can't get him back safely, why risk more? They might get the quick 1k for the unhook before they go down where as I am taking a while to get the 1250 blood points for the gen I am working on, but I am 100% safe and I am doing my part to escape.
The whole point is the gens, if you can't unhook someone safely then you shouldn't unhook them. They can't help on gens if the killer tunnels them and kills them outright so they serve a better purpose wasting the killer's time sitting on the hook. I yelled at people for trying to safe me when I was camped, you just don't safe a camped survivor! You are FEEDING THE KILLER!
This isn't the killer's fault, this is the fault of moronic survivors who keep feeding them. If you keep feeding them, they will keep doing it. The time it takes for one survivor to go through the 3 states on the hook, I can get a whole gen done easily. That means that 3 survivors should be able to get 3 gens done. Another person caught immediately ... and this is based on killers catching them really fast, 2 more gens done while that killer camped survivor #2.
Now it is 2 survivors exiting the gates easily because the camper camped and the survivors actually played smart. The ones on the hook stayed on that hook as long as possible to screw over the killer, a pay back for camping them! Those that quit early should be reported, you go into a game, then you play it out 100%.
There isn't much more to say on the subject. Simply it is the SURVIVOR'S FAULT that the killer is camping. If the killer wasn't fed, the killer would get hungry and hunt!
This is the best post in this thread and its unforgivable that BHVR have had this problem SINCE DAY ONE.
It's highlights why BHVR have ultimately painted themselves into a corner now. The 'time out' system won't work, because all the devs are doing is reinforcing all the negative aspects that lead to people leaving games to begin with. But you can't do anything positive for survivors, without the collective killer community nerd raging.
Just look at all the posts after legion and nurse were nerfed.
It's impossible to recommend this game to a new player if they are interested to play survivor.
Jesus mate... please use commas and periods. What a mess.
"Judging with how you respond to people who are simply pointing out a problem that is very prevalent across all ranks"
I think this is a break in the sentence...seriously, format your comments better, it helps.
The thing is, it's not very prevalent, even if you think it is. I literally wrote way too many details about almost 100 matches last season. Out of them I wrote down 3 campers. From rank 13 to 3(I believe) and yet I barely saw campers. If it's indeed "very prevalent" shouldn't I have seen more of them?
"myself made it to rank 1 multiple times and yet still the most common playstyle is facecamp then tunnel"
That's your impression, sure. It's not mine and most of the people I talk to. Can you demonstrate how frequent it is?
"you talk about using perks to counter it but borrowed time only works if you can get the unhook and even then borrowed time only helps you for a short time if you cant escape and heal up after getting hit and tunneled as soon as your unhooked you're still going to die"
In the very comment you replied to, I gave the best tactic to use without a single perk or item. You could have quoted something else to make your point better.
But, on countering it with perks. Borrowed garantees an unhook. You go down in the persons place, but the unhook is garanteed. There's no "if" in getting the unhook. And yes, if the killer decides to tunnel the unhooked, they will go down again. Just like if the killer decides decides to tunnel the unhooker. Point?
"Killers need to be punished for facecamping and tunneling"
Why? Because it's a strategy you don't like? That's not enough. And they are already punished.
"and i dont mean as a perk because as the game stands these days its too far killer sided"
The punishment that's in the game is already not perk related. It's emblem related. A killer that camps will have a really hard time ranking up.
"i play both and get frequent 4ks and thats without camping or tunneling"
Congrats? That's not special mate. Camping and tunneling is rarely the best strategy at any given point.
"all theyve really done is stopped a killer getting an emblem and a few bloodpoints"
No devout emblem, because he only hooks once, no devious emblem, because he isn't using his power while camping, no chaser emblem, because he isn't chasing for most of the game, no brutality emblem because he only hits people 2 times... and that's without the penalty. Campers have a hard time pipping. That's why you mostly see it on the lower ranks.
"plenty of killers ive come acroos whilst playing survivor literally facecamp on purpose they literally have the words toxic etc in their bios"
Toxic people exist. Point?
"ive had several people in high ranks dc simply because of a facecamp because they know theyre getting nowhere in that game"
So, what you're you are saying, is that people break the rules of the game because other people play in a way they don't like? And this helps your point how?
"and now with this new ban all theyre going to do is kill themselves on hook leaving those who remain at an even bigger disadvantage"
How is he suiciding on hook more disavantageous than if he dcs? Did you even read what you wrote before posting it?
"your "solutions" dont help at all because its simple for killers to work around those perks"
My solution involved no perks at all. Perks merely create more options. Did you even read the comment you quoted?
I read all your comments and the reason behind the lack of grammar etc is because im using a tablet which has problems typing and once again youre saying youve not come across 3 campers in 100 games what were they kyf ? Because everyone ive played with always run into a camper every 3/5 games and were all between the ranks of 1-10 either youre extremely lucky or you dont see the camper because youre on the other end of the map refusing to be remotely altruistic i quoted one of your comments simply because i didnt want to waste more time reading your comments where you simply degrade and refuse to believe others come across these problems the only reason i find for such a defensive attitude for campers is because you must be one of them
I'm typing on a phone, that's no excuse.
"Youre saying youve not come across 3 campers in 100 games what were they kyf?"
Yes I am. And no , solo queue. All of them.
"Because everyone ive played with always run into a camper every 3/5 games and were all between the ranks of 1-10"
Where do you play? That could make a difference. Or you're remembering the matches that annoyed you instead of the whole picture. Which is normal.
"either youre extremely lucky or you dont see the camper because youre on the other end of the map refusing to be remotely altruistic"
Considering the amount of times I died because I went to save someone after the gates were open...I would say... no.
In fact, I'm way too altruistic. Unless I get a daily or challenge that requires me to escape, I never leave unless the egc timer is about to run out or everyone is at the door.
"I read all your comments..." "...i quoted one of your comments simply because i didnt want to waste more time reading your comments"
Which one was it? Did you read all my comments or not?
"where you simply degrade and refuse to believe others come across these problems"
Simply degrade? Wow. What an accusation. Where did I simply degrade someone? Go on. Show me. Because I am a bit of an ######### sometimes but that's always on the side and not the main part of the comment. At least on this thread.
And refuse to believe? Again, where? I believe what people are telling me. But saying someone is wrong and not believing them, aren't mutually exclusive.
"the only reason i find for such a defensive attitude for campers is because you must be one of them"
I know this is a logical fallacy, but I don't remember the name.
It's kind of an af hominum since you're trying to insult me instead of arguing against my points. But I am not certain it's that. 🤔
Either way... this "you only defend them because you're them" is ridiculous and useless. Doesn't matter where I'm coming from, if I'm right, I'm right.
And remember that comment I made like... a while ago...you might not remember... it's right above yours. Where I said.
@Weck "Camping and tunneling is rarely the best strategy at any given point."
Wow...you must be a genious to think I actively play in a way that I myself consider a bad strategy.
Or better yet, when I told the OP that camping is a failing strategy. That is probably why you think I play like that.
Only a true madlad such as yourself would see through my clever ruse. Who would think that I, the guy saying at any point that camping is bad, besides some very situational circunstances, am in fact a camper?
Only you! Oh master of the smartness! Please teach this but humble trickster how to smart like you smart.
I could go on...but it got boring.
What you just said is stupid. The very fact you would consider such a thing is stupid. The fact that you can't decide if you read my comments or not is stupid. The fact that you think that insulting me is somehow helping you is stupid and hilarious. The fact that you say I need to accept others point of view while telling me you're not accepting mine is stupid.
But no matter how stupid your points are, I still read every single one of your comments. Because I wanna understand your position before replying.
If you wanna ignore what I'm saying and pretend you somehow have the high ground, then not only your points are bad, but you're pathetic aswell.
Enjoy your miserable experience
If you read my comment properly i was saying that i quoted one because i didnt want to waste more time by reading something ive already read to argue certain points you keep telling people its a bad strategy because if you told people you were part of the problem why would anyone accept your point of view its a toxic strategy and youre a toxix person you say im trying to insult you by merely pointing out that youre defending something in a way that a person defends something that means something to them personally and when younask where i play i play on playstation in the UK and ill quote one of your comments after this post so you can see the parts where you degrade people because they have a separate opinion and you say im remembering only the games i find bad wow glad to see how you think my memory works simply because the stats ive found completely contracted your 3 /100 stat which is clearly BS if you took the time to do that where is the stream of these 100 games qnd the notes to go along with it showing how you got 3/100 ? The last part of your comment where you find it important to insult me because you dont agree with my points and think calling me stupid helps good job showing people you dont resort to insults and within this comment you say it doesn't matter where you come from you literally claim that youre opinion is a fact when it clearly isnt considering the large amount of people who can back up the point im making that camping is a large scale problem that is very prevalent youre in the minority claiming its not
In this comment you resort to the meme phrase of OK boomer because the person calls you out for trying to say perks are a way to counter camping when it doesn't as he explained then you try defending the use of the phrase in another comment by saying you didnt want to deal with his crap like wow nice way to insult someones comment because it contradicts your own yet again
As long as we reward the killer with stupid overaltruistic behavior, camping will not go away.
Do gens and run Kindred, newly nicely buffed, BT and DS.
If you really are a mad lad, buff yourself with the Medkit, run in, take a hit, unhook the poor guy with BT please and then GTFO!
The fallacy you are looking for is "Poisoning the well", which is where an accusation regarding your character not relevant to your claims is used to discredit you. In this case you are being called a camper, which is not related to your claims of what happens when you play as a Survivor.
Being camped sucks, camping for no reason shows lack of skill, but there are reasons to camp.
Camping is impossible to get rid of in this game without completely overhauling how the Killer gets kills works, it's that simple. You can't block the Killer from entering a radius of the Survivor as that is just as unfair as the camping itself and it also means that Borrowed Time has less of a chance to work. You can't teleport the Killer far away every time they hook someone because that would screw over the Killer 100% of the time and will get abused; the game would be almost impossible to win.
Now all of those things I said are directed towards the Killer and that may seem bias but it is fair because that Killer is a human being, they're also playing the game and contrary to popular belief the Killer is only thing keeping this game alive, no Killers no game. There are many tools Survivors have to battle against camping and none of them will work 100% of the time and like I said earlier they can't get rid of camping without completely changing the game.
You need to use valid strategies and hope your new player friends have thick skin because only people with thick skin play this game and stick around.