Why is Gen rushing "ok" but tunneling isnt? both lead to each side completing their main objective.
depends what you mean by gen rushing
doing gens while killer cant catch 1st surv in 2mins?
or gens before friends?
because 1st option is 100% killers fault and you deserve to lose gens, in 2nd case its well... sad
i told those 2 options because most killers tends to think everything is genrush even when survs do 5 gens in 7min which btw almost 1 surv can do if he sits on gens all the time
edit: and btw if youre tunneling because survivors are doing gens that only means youre making someones game miserable only because you cant handle situation xd
Same reason teabagging and clicking flashlights at the exit gates is not okay
gen rushing is pretty frowned on as well; but most people call it gen rushing even if every survivor is on a gen solo and pops them.
Every survivor on a different gen is the fastest way, ie gen rush, not stacked on one.
today I was playing against a killer with ruin + pop and he was camping + tunelling + slugging the camped+tunelled survivor. his answer why he did that was "to slow the game down because my ruin gone early". result 1k and 3 escapes lol 5000 iq
Ive never understood what "gen rushing"
Neither is particularly fun for the other side, but employing the most optimal (legal) tactics in order to complete your objective is always okay, no matter what role you're playing.
Anyone who tells you that one is okay and the other isn't is operating to a double standard.
Not gen rushing = doing nothing. Not tunelling = chasing other prople, not the guy just unhooked. As you PROBABLY know, there are 4 survivors, you don't need to chase the guy you just hooked...
eliminating one person makes it easier to juggle a team.
The opposite happens constantly. Many killers complain about gens, but only offer suggestions to slow them down (whether it’s longer gens or additional objective) while not even acknowledging tunneling and camping. So you would agree then, that any nerf to “genrush” should also include a nerf in the base game to tunneling and camping?
Tunneling is in the survivors control it's called body blocking. If you were actually concerned about it the team would make a concerted effort to block the killer. But I guess it's asking too much to get off your gen lol.
Yeah it's easy it's called coordination. And cutting off the chase playing as oh I don't know A TEAM lol and unless the killer is a completel and utter idiot he's not going to just keep trying for the same kill with 3 other survivors blocking him.
There you go it's supposed to be a TEAM based game, a survivor shouldn't be able to 1v1 a killer because it would make no sense for 1 survivor to be equally powered to 1 killer when there are 4 survivors. That's why gens get done so fast because people have the mindset of "we cannot get off gens whatsoever not even to help in chases" unless it's a Meg with a flashlight of course who never touches gens and just follows the killer everywhere.
If the killer is really set into tunneling a survivor, bodyblocking will at least guarantee the tunneled survivor will get to a new loop in which if they are good can prolong the chase for a while. You don't need every survivor in the match to be bodyblocking you just need to co-ordinate it.
Last night I had meme games with Mettle of Man and I had no problem waiting for the survivor to circle around a structure then once they go past me I jump behind them and in front of the killer to gain a token.
With the introduction of Breakout, it will slightly help you in bodyblocking if the killer is trying to hook a tunneled survivor but some people are so used to meta perks that they feel naked without changing their build (not targeted towards you Enitoni but some people really struggle when they don't run meta)
Guess what killers hate games where they get only 1 or in the worst case scenario 0 kills and then toxic survivors sit at the gate waiting for the killer to show up just so they can tbag in front of him lol
It's an asymetrical game. It baffles me when people are like I can't get them to play as a team, lol did you even try you know like bringing them into your chat. When evolve came out any time I played Hunter is said all the randos a party invite and you know what the vast majority of the time they would join.
Sounds to me like you have a survivor mentality problem not a killer tunneling problem lol
Asymetrical means 4 v 1 means WORK AS A TEAM lol
Bring a mori then smh
Guess you've been missing all the people crying about moris too. Which to be fair moris are one of the very few ACTUALLY OP things that killer has.
Which is ironic cause I almost never see moris when playing survivor
That's why everyone says the weakest to strongest are: Solo, Killer, SWF. I very very rarely play solo because it's true that you need to rely on randoms to do gens, loop, save, etc. You can't necessarily force randoms to play as a team and that's why SWFs have a HUGE advantage which nobody realizes called VoIP or some people are too stubborn to acknowledge the advantage (Not saying this is you @Enitoni just saying in general).
"The problem is that people that get tunneled don't feel like playing the game much after, because it sucks out all the fun."
Unfortunately there are unfun aspects for either side such as a 4 man SWF group gen rushing, 4 man SWF group playing as toxic as possible, or just terrible maps (Wretched shop) in which all survivors abuse the loops even when switching target all of them know how to play. But I realize that I just need to move on and try again because NO MATTER what game it is you'll always have bad matches.
"Cool, so you had one chance while a survivor was already at a hook. You wouldn't have the same chance if they just got unhooked and the killer was already there close enough to catch up to them immediately."
That's why perks are in the game like Borrowed Time, DS, etc. I've always argued with people who tell you to rely on perks but apparently we need to according to a lot of people. The amount of times I've seen a complaint and people reply with "Use X perk" is unreal, in my opinion a perk should help but definitely shouldn't be relied on to succeeded.
"It's also completely unnecessary. You don't have to tunnel to win a game as killer."
Depends on the scenario to be honest. If you're getting a 4 man commando squad and you find out they are super altruistic then the only way to win is to prey on that weakness. Other times if it's just a causal game when no side is sweating for the win then you're right it's absolutely not necessary.
"I'd like to clarify that by tunneling I don't mean finding the injured survivor first if they made no attempts to hide, I mean deliberately going after the survivor with the sole intention of downing them again even if they ran away from the hook and there are other survivors in view."
I agree I'm not the toxic type to rage at the killer but I do rant in calls when I get tunneled for absolutely no reason at all (Multiple gens left, didn't play toxic, etc).
You can do a gen and not be gen rushing. Gen rushing is like 3 survivors when you chase one, all just using toolboxes and whatever else they can to increase repair speed all repairing one gen in like seconds, and then moving to the next if you can't down that one guy in time.
It's usually done with voip communication in SWF because it's a lot harder to pull off without it.
Against higher rank players there are some things you can do, depending on the killer you are, but the matchmaker/ranking system puts these types of player groups against people even in very low ranks and these poor noob killers get absolutely rolled by it.
They start camping because they have no idea what else to do, all the gens are getting done and they only got a guy on a hook one time; so they resign to doing what they think will work.
Camping also just flat out doesn't work unless you are maybe leatherface, once you get to high ranks it's just no longer possible. They use perk combinations, body blocking, and knowledge of the game they can usually bust out a few gens and then get their friend off the hook leaving you with an absolute crushing defeat, 0 kills, and only one or two hooks in points.
Edit: Also, another thing to add to the topic; is that a lot of times a killer is called a camper when they are not camping too. Like I don't camp, unless I see a survivor going right for the hooked person and I think I can get something out of that faster than going elsewhere; I don't I still get called a camper a few matches every day though; so odds are some of those people are on the forums here complaining about camping killers even if they have not actually been actually camped in a very long time.
[These are not really full opinions, rather these are just neutral ground observations about how these issues seem to work in game. Take from them what you will]
Gen rushing doesnt exist in first place, cause its the way the game is designed. Its like an myth, cause you see very rare a fast Toolbox-Squad, whose callingthem gen rushing would be the only real way talking about gen rushing.
Besides that, tunneling just means youre taking out one survivor on purpose, which just ruins that ones time in play, cause he cant participate in normal gameplay. Killer very much rely on cheap gameplay which only ruins survs time in trial (tunneling, camping, slugging).
lmao I swear survivor's are confusing , one point they'll say to counter ds by slugging then they call it cheap.
Stopped IMMEDIATELY after you can't force randoms to play as a team. If they won't play as a team then you all will suffer, it's just that simple. Right down to the hatch standoff.
That's not a fair argument. Not every survivor shares a hive mind.
the majority of survivors do though. look through the forums.
You save time by getting the already injured survivor down. And he had already been hooked no less. Saving time is the most important strategy as a killer by far, as the game will punish you 10x than any one survivor for wasting time
Wdym? Gens before friends is the red rank mindset.
as a killer i get better at mind gaming, (as much as i can) and i down the survivor( as fast as i can), and i rotate around to prevent gen rushing.
but remember you can only do your part, some matches you will lose, its not your mistake, or something you could have done better. just some maps with some lucky loops, can cost you a game. which is ok , cause DBD is not competitive game
Tunneling is fine. As you said, you are only doing your objective.
This is a PvP game, you are allowed to go for the opponent team's weakest link. You are not the survivors' fun provider.
Nobody expects survivors to play generously and gift the killer hooks or kills so that the killer has fun, so why expect so many people the killer to play generously? I don't get this mindset.
maybe if you cant handle it, maybe you shouldnt be in red rank?
but most of the time ppl are tunneling living sh out of ppl that dont even try to do gens instead of going for gen bots(most of them dies in 15sec even on red ranks) and then they cry about gens are going quick, thats why my build have both whispers and bbq to find those gen slaves that can only hide
Exactly. I don't care about survivors fun. What's that got to do with me? I don't owe them anything and they don't owe me anything. I will tunnel I will camp and I will do what it takes to win. This game punishes me too much as a killer to care about anyone's fun but my own.