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We're not gonna act like gen speeds are fine as is right?

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  • SylorknagSylorknag Member Posts: 760

    My ruin was getting popped in the first 30 sec of the game 7/10 times. Has to stop using cause survivors literally still spawn on top of the damn thing.

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    It seems apparent to me that you are fine with the current rate that generators can be done. If that's the case, and you and the devs believe this, then that's fine, I'll put my faith into you guys and further attempt to hone my own skills to deal with it. But can I ask what's your in depth opinion on the matter. I think it would do myself, and the other large portion of the community who believe this is an issue some good if you would get into the thought process behind it, and get into why you believe it's fair.

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    The people who want a secondary objective are normally survivors who would rather do something else than repair a generator for 80 seconds.

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 4,049

    Of course I do and why I posted a more recent video with new Nurse as well 😛. I also said the same just a few posts back to someone else.

    Sometimes it's better to read the whole thread 😉.

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    Also something I want to add correcting your mistakes is the reason I think slowdowns, BT, Ruin, NOED, and DS are not only fine, but absolutely necessary. This game is based around snowballing into a sure win for both sides where the opposing side can feel completely helpless and that's just really no fun. At some point you've won the game and everything afterwards is just kicking a man while he's down. At worst, these perks and the like are tools that can be used to further an already sure victory.

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,486

    Oh? I'm going to have to find it then!.... is it of zubat again? Him playing the new omega blink nurse?

    Either way dude... you're using one of the best players in DBD... and even then he loses to survivors when they wanna win... just yesterday he played a Billy match and depipped..

  • darkknight287darkknight287 Member Posts: 42

    If you use commodious tool box then it only takes 60 seconds to do a gen these gen times are horrible

  • darkknight287darkknight287 Member Posts: 42

    It's not the best example because 3 gens can be done in about the first minute and a half of the match, which means technachly a game could end in about 3-4 minutes of the killer isnt playing or is just so bad they cant find anyone. But more realistically the games will end in about 6 minutes because survivors dont want to leave their team behind

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 4,049
    edited December 2019

    Yes it's the omega blink nurse one but since you know Zubat you will know how fast he can and does win games at times.

    Doesn't matter if he is one of the best as even they will and do lose sometimes. It just shows that out of the games you probably watched you saw one 😉. Scott loses quite a lot and so does Tru3 but in terms of win ratio they are all far above the 50% ratio and I would say even 75% for these players.

    It shows good players do well at the game.

  • BunnyTheHuttBunnyTheHutt Member Posts: 1,772

    How could he? No one could do any better in this situation. It's simply not physically possible too down/hook people and pressure gens when the survivors only hold M1. This wasn't the killer playing bad, it was survivors abusing gen speed too end games faster then they should. The problem is gen speeds, they need changes. No game should end in 5 mins unless the killer is afk.

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,486

    Yes

    Yes

    But I also know how he feels about the other killers that are not spirit, billy, huntress the top of the list and that he always expects to lose when he plays any other killers and that's why he does the same rotation.

    I understand that any good player will do well in a match... but that doesnt mean that the main objective doesnt need some TLC.

  • Widowmaker8197Widowmaker8197 Member Posts: 88

    That's actually not a bad idea coming from a survivor main. Good thinking.

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 4,049
    edited December 2019

    It's very hard to balance now with how the game has progressed.

    While I think some killers in the lower tier could do with some love these good could players may find the game extremely boring then.

    I think the main issue is the ranking and matchmaking atm. Killers need to be looked at separately for a rank system so using their powered doesn't hurt an emblem. Killing 2 should be a pip with say 5 hooks total.

    The game is a lot more balanced than its ever been and there wasn't this many complaints with the victory cube even though it was far harder for killers.

    If it werent for all the existing slow down perks I would agree 100% that a second objective is needed but the game has changed so much from what it was realistically all those perks would need reworked along with slow down add-ons.

    I would agree at red ranks the game is so different from brown to green. It's why I think the game could be changed as you rank up in brackets of 5. This would mean an incentive to do so of course and stay there.

    Blood points earned increase.

    normal in 20-16

    +33% in 15-11

    +66% in 10-6

    And in ranks 5+ you got 100% more blood points earned but you also get 360 auric cells if you are in that bracket at reset.

    That's one free skin or a free rift pass every three months along with being able to lesson the grind.

    That may not be enough for some but it's a start and something to think about.

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 2,916
    edited December 2019

    @TheCrookedMan

    Im all for making the game more interesting while adding content for both survivor and killer that isn’t for the sake of giving extra time because that side wasn’t proactively successful in finishing their objective.

    Also, the people who want a secondary objective from where I’ve been reading are killers. Survivors only respond because the idea that gens could be slower is already an awful/unfun idea to begin with. Not because they fully agree with it.

    This isn’t the direction the devs seem to want to go in. Hence why builds like Forever Freddy are gone.

    You brought up slow down perks, and I think that is fine. Time to spare is also one that allows you to correct your mistakes. Under a version of gens where they are slowed down what purpose would some of them serve other than to make the matches awefully long. Not to mention the huge benefit for making up for time you otherwise didn’t use wisely....

    You missed a few swings? No worries Gens are slow now, you can miss a couple more times.

    Wasted your time, looking for that Claudette because you didn’t know when to stop? No worries, gen speed now rewards you more time so you can afford to look for that one survivor.

    Want to camp but fear that gens will pop too quick? We got you! You can rest assured maybe 1 will pop and you can camp a survivor all the way till their death, and you the game will still reward you more kills.

  • ZoldyarZoldyar Member Posts: 431

    You are pretty much admitting that those who are noob and play as surivior, stand no chance against a noob killer because the killer is capable of handling red rank suriviors who are experience. The devs has already shown that solo suriviors struggle to get above a 50% chance of escaping, so now the percentage would just decrease massively if they balance it on top players.

    Not only that, but how is it any different to how the game is now? Noob killers are still superior to noob suriviors, but pro suriviors are superior to a pro killer. All you are doing is making it less balance because now killers would be more superior to noob suriviors and pro.

  • Simply_GhostfaceSimply_Ghostface Member Posts: 22

    Make Totem worth 2k bold. This will make it more enticing for survivors to not do gens and do other things

  • ZoldyarZoldyar Member Posts: 431

    Let's make it simple and quick.

    Killer mains have shown that they are capable of finishing a game quicker than suriviors doing gens. So by you addressing gen time even though the devs have shown multiple times of killers getting above a 50% kill rate, do you want killers kill rate to be 100%?

  • nerdguy5nerdguy5 Member Posts: 49

    Here we go with another “I think this NEEDS to change so that the game is fair for everyone and everyone gets their fair share of Choccy Chip Cookies” 👀 needs milk? Everyone will get the same amount per glass. Don’t worry

  • danielmaster87danielmaster87 Member Posts: 837

    Literally by the time you find your first survivor, a gen can already be done. Who can defend that, really?

  • CrispyChestnutsCrispyChestnuts Member Posts: 174

    Lol okay good job marginalizing your dissenters, barely even worth responding to. Your meowmeowbeanz score is too low to even consider your response

  • Sherlock4061Sherlock4061 Member Posts: 1

    The thing is, the game will never be able to punish killers playing using the easy button because what can the dev's do? Nothing to stop them from doing it. Give them less points you say? Doesnt matter when they can still 4k and ruin everyone's game. The gen speed is fine where it is, there's a number of perks and killers that outright stall the game and makes it severely brutal to do gens. And no we should not balance the game around the 5% of players that are in the highest ranks because in semi high to mid ranks is where most of the realistic problems lie when everyone isn't playing with a sweat stain dripping from their forehead and have mastered the games mechanics to the T. And to add to that, changing anything about this game that crucial would mutilate the console players. Not everything should be based around a pc game and on how pc plays. On console you are not going to insta 360 the killer, you are not going to get great skill cheeks every second and you're going to make it that much easier to play as killer. The reality of the situation is, killer has such ease of use that asking for the game to take longer and give the killer more breathing room because "oh wa'ah killer is so hard" is utter crap. You take a decent group verse decent killer, killer wins. You take a sweat killer vs a sweat team, full on, killer still comes out with at least 2 kills and still has the highest blood points for the match. The fact of the matter is, killers can kill only one person in a game and still have nearly the same BP's as the survivor that had to play perfectly to escape. The amount of effort it takes for the amount of BP's you earn while doing things as both killer and survivors Is extremely killer favored. There is very little punishment at all for killers playing with an easy button nor does it punish killers enough when they make mistakes considering it takes 1 mistake to get hit and a second to get downed, with near flawless execution to pull off a good chase that will still end up in that person dying at some point and that killer could of made hundreds of mistakes but will still win the chase. When it comes to pros vs cons for both sides, killer wins out in both categories, more pros, less cons.

  • Dude just scout gens every now and then and break them throw over charge in there and you gravy

  • JashaunJashaun Member Posts: 6

    stop complaining lol, not enough pressure was applied ig and thus made the game easy for survivors. tunneling is a horrible excuse for kills

  • SkywcluSkywclu Member Posts: 43

    I totally agree with you about the face camping thing. I just played a match and got hooked after trying to protect a teammate, so my teammate unhooks me and the Ghost Face decides to come out from behind the wall he was hiding and get me. So, I'm on my second hook get rescued, then he comes out of nowhere again and sacrifices me.

  • RIP_LegionRIP_Legion Member Posts: 428

    Then don't, I don't care what you think lol. Barely even worth responding to smh

  • ravekidravekid Member Posts: 18

    The streamer just did the math better than the killer. The nurse player choose to hunt every survivor instead of tunneling 1 or 2 of them down. It has nothing to do with gens.

    Totems already has there roles, just use inner strength.

    ☮️

  • SenzuDuckSenzuDuck Member Posts: 5,077

    The irony of people drawing conclusions that gens are too fast from these videos that get posted every other week but disregarding anyone who brings up stats of 1000s of matches the devs tracked.

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