they didn't increase the skill gap, they just outright nerfed her. god nurses are still god nurses but a little weaker while anyone who was not a god nurse got cucked. the learning curve for nurse is now EXTREMELY harder now for anyone wanting to pick up nurse. pretty much unless you where a god nurse. nurse is garbage for you
True says is in a good spot yet loses, same with Otz he had a game where he was bullied as nurse 🤣 such a good spot. He only played her once and that was on ptb when the nurse was bugged and he was going against potatoes.
I think you are the one not understanding. If all the bad Nurses that relied on add ons quit playing Nurse, then the only players playing Nurse right now are the good players that did not rely on addons. That means good Nurse players right now have a 40% kill rate.
He played her again today, and won. This discussion actually motivated me to go to some popular streamers and ask them, and I clipped their responses. Zubat said nurse was still viable
So, the original poster was wrong then. They stated the bad Nurse players that relied on add ons QUIT playing Nurse. If they are still playing Nurse, then the original poster was wrong.
Their opinion could not be representative of their game play. For example, Otz calls Nurse the best killer but this is what it actually looks like when he plays https://www.twitch.tv/videos/518788655?t=02h06m14s. He literally got bullied the entire game and only got kills at the end because the survivors got extremely cocky.
I mean, I can only talk about what I said so I didn't understand why that was being said. Also, I watched the game and Otz [BAD WORD] up 3 times right in the beggining of the match, and I clocked the gen: it took 34 seconds for the first gen to pop lol. Also, my original point is still valid that a good nurse would still dominate, so a clip of Otz [BAD WORD] up his blinks only really proves he is not the best nurse (what he openly admits because he hates the killer)
And also, he intentionally paths his blinks wrong to showcase the new addon, it happens twice in the chase against the kate and a couple more times throughout the match
And I'm terribly sorry but I will add a third thing, on that particular match you showed me he doesn't wait the full cooldown and blinks with only one charge 20 plus times, what is a terrible blunder on the new nurse
My point being is that if you take the opinion from someone about Nurse that person should also have a good amount of game play showing that they are a proficient Nurse at red ranks (post-nerf). Otz saying Nurse is the strongest and playing like that is not particularly convincing.
Your point is valid, but you can also imagine that if he did not make those mistakes, he would have had a much smoother match and that is where the idea comes from
On the best map for Nurse and he only had a couple of hooks before all 5 gens were done. He killed 3 because he slugged at the end and they made a few mistakes at the end. He lost before the gens were done because the survivors were good, they exploited the new nurse and because of his cooldown he couldn't keep enough map pressure. If these survivors were on a map like Lery's, Stranger Things Map, Spirit or Oni's map, or on Rotten Fields, it would have been impossible to beat them, all four would have escaped.
I feel like the whole “streamer says Nurse is still viable” argument ignores what people who play her more frequently have been saying, which is “yes we can still 4k with her, but we aren’t having fun anymore.” Otz and Tru3 are both excellent killers, but neither of them play Nurse much at all. So they’re going to approach it from a viability point, which is, yes, she’s still viable. I as a former Nurse main won’t argue that at all.
What I will argue is she’s extremely unfun to play now. Every. Single. Time. I want to use my power as Nurse I am punished twice over for it. First by the fatigue, which was expected, and then the cooldown period, which is new. It’s made me legitimately not want to blink in games with her because I don’t want to use them and then be stuck in a waiting simulator watching my prey getting away. I played her seriously...3 games, post rework. 4ked all 3. But I remember just being so done with the game by the end of each one because I was just frustrated and not having fun. Fun is more important to me than winning. Had an Ace trolling me today as Trapper. He messed up finally and stepped in a random trap, I mocked him back (spinning camera around) and laughed as he DCed before giving the fourth player the hatch. That was fun. 4king as Nurse is extremely unfun and it’s why I’ve dropped the character.
I know I’m not the only one who feels that way. Multiple people who loved playing Nurse have said more or less this. She has too many glaring weaknesses now that top level nurses can mitigate relatively well, but doing so is stressful and not at all fun. So if 7% of good Nurses dropped her for not having fun anymore, and no one new picked her up, we’d see her kill rate go down about that percent. And that’s more or less what’s happened, or at least it’s what I believe has happened so long as we don’t have updated pick rates for killers. I’m willing to bet Nurse had a pretty hard drop off in pick rate after people saw and tried out the changes, and that explains her new stats.
She's in an awful spot. She's not fun at all because you get punished constantly for mistakes you didn't make. You're telegraphing where I'm going to land on this blink, so why am I also suffering a cooldown when the survivor reacts accordingly to it? She got nerfed because of how she was affecting high level play but the kit changes didn't seem to consider high level play.
She's not fun right now for a few reasons. Barely any lunge is the most frustrating, which is ridiculous with the double cooldown. You BARELY miss a swing, which pisses you off anyway, but then it adds MORE time to the cooldown. It's also too easy to blink to a different level than the one you're on, which infuriates me. The final and most annoying feature is the god forsake autoaim, which targets the nearest pallet/bush/tree/anything but what you're aiming at.
Nurse players spent years at the top of the tier list alone, claiming she was fine balance wise - that survivors just needed to get gud and learn to play against her. Adapt was the word so often used. Just adapt!
Now that it is their turn to adapt they don't like it. "She isn't fun!!" You know what? I only play in red ranks in a region well-known for its amazing nurses. Faced so many of them before our regions were split by the servers. Playing against those nurses was incredibly unfun.
There is a reason why you only see the same names in every thread about nurse. So many people have no sympathy for these nurse mains who aren't having fun anymore. All other killers must play with few to none mistakes at the highest level in order to win. It's absolutely absurd that nurse mains alone expect to be the exception. Now you have to hit your blinks consistently to win. That isn't fun? Oh well. Find another killer. Maybe they'll revisit Nurse down the road if enough people stop playing her, but don't expect any changes any time soon.
If your logic were true, I’d drop the game, not the Nurse. Because all I’d be looking for were the “ez 4k”. That’s not why I play, I play for fun. Nurse is not fun. I have had a much better time on an enjoyment front playing Wraith and Legion, two middle-bottom tiers, than I have on Nurse the last month or so. I do not play for the ez 4k when I play the killer side of DbD. I play to have fun. And honestly, it’s the argument that Nurse mains don’t have a right to complain because she’s still strong that really annoys me...because for us, it’s not about viability as much as fun. And holy hell is it frustrating and painful to play her now.
I’ll add that as a survivor Nurse was always my favorite to go against because I can’t loop and find looping incredibly boring. You can’t loop Nurse, you have to play intelligently. I could run most Nurses long enough they’d give up on me, even if they were downing teammates quickly. It was fun and required a different way to play. Now the very few times I see a Nurse (red ranks btw, if we’re humble bragging) it seems they’re lucky to get much of anything anymore unless they’re godlike with her, and I find her boring to go against because it’s so easy to drop chase.
How does it make her boring? You just have to wait 4 seconds after 2 blinks if you spent all charges, and you always have the option to blink with only one
That is very incorrect. It's her best map because it is open! No LOS breaks. BTW, in that video they hardly used dead hard. He could have had a much harder time against that perk, likely only having one hook before all gens were done.
Comments
Well, his ptb games were fine, but im curious now. Do you have links?
they didn't increase the skill gap, they just outright nerfed her. god nurses are still god nurses but a little weaker while anyone who was not a god nurse got cucked. the learning curve for nurse is now EXTREMELY harder now for anyone wanting to pick up nurse. pretty much unless you where a god nurse. nurse is garbage for you
LoL
True says is in a good spot yet loses, same with Otz he had a game where he was bullied as nurse 🤣 such a good spot. He only played her once and that was on ptb when the nurse was bugged and he was going against potatoes.
I think you are the one not understanding. If all the bad Nurses that relied on add ons quit playing Nurse, then the only players playing Nurse right now are the good players that did not rely on addons. That means good Nurse players right now have a 40% kill rate.
He played her again today, and won. This discussion actually motivated me to go to some popular streamers and ask them, and I clipped their responses. Zubat said nurse was still viable
That logic doesn't make sense considering people that mained nurse and did what he said would still try to play the killer, but have a hard time
And also please send the links, I'm open to rethink things
So, the original poster was wrong then. They stated the bad Nurse players that relied on add ons QUIT playing Nurse. If they are still playing Nurse, then the original poster was wrong.
*Shrugs in Confusion*
Their opinion could not be representative of their game play. For example, Otz calls Nurse the best killer but this is what it actually looks like when he plays https://www.twitch.tv/videos/518788655?t=02h06m14s. He literally got bullied the entire game and only got kills at the end because the survivors got extremely cocky.
Original poster says Nurse add on abusers quit playing Nurse.
You are saying Nurse add on abusers are still playing Nurse.
There is a clear contradiction here and only one or the other can be right. I do not know how I can make the explanation more simple.
I mean, I can only talk about what I said so I didn't understand why that was being said. Also, I watched the game and Otz [BAD WORD] up 3 times right in the beggining of the match, and I clocked the gen: it took 34 seconds for the first gen to pop lol. Also, my original point is still valid that a good nurse would still dominate, so a clip of Otz [BAD WORD] up his blinks only really proves he is not the best nurse (what he openly admits because he hates the killer)
And also, he intentionally paths his blinks wrong to showcase the new addon, it happens twice in the chase against the kate and a couple more times throughout the match
How am I wrong? @Almo said in a post her kill rate for all ranks is now 43.9%.
this is said post im reffering to. https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/114364/some-data-on-legions-performance-since-the-oni-update/p1
Also if you look at the data from November her kill rate for all platforms was around 46 to 48%
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/106566/stats-november-2019
I was not referring to anything else. I simply asked in my post if they would be willing to share new data on the nurse.
And I'm terribly sorry but I will add a third thing, on that particular match you showed me he doesn't wait the full cooldown and blinks with only one charge 20 plus times, what is a terrible blunder on the new nurse
My point being is that if you take the opinion from someone about Nurse that person should also have a good amount of game play showing that they are a proficient Nurse at red ranks (post-nerf). Otz saying Nurse is the strongest and playing like that is not particularly convincing.
Yes that is correct
Your point is valid, but you can also imagine that if he did not make those mistakes, he would have had a much smoother match and that is where the idea comes from
On the best map for Nurse and he only had a couple of hooks before all 5 gens were done. He killed 3 because he slugged at the end and they made a few mistakes at the end. He lost before the gens were done because the survivors were good, they exploited the new nurse and because of his cooldown he couldn't keep enough map pressure. If these survivors were on a map like Lery's, Stranger Things Map, Spirit or Oni's map, or on Rotten Fields, it would have been impossible to beat them, all four would have escaped.
I feel like the whole “streamer says Nurse is still viable” argument ignores what people who play her more frequently have been saying, which is “yes we can still 4k with her, but we aren’t having fun anymore.” Otz and Tru3 are both excellent killers, but neither of them play Nurse much at all. So they’re going to approach it from a viability point, which is, yes, she’s still viable. I as a former Nurse main won’t argue that at all.
What I will argue is she’s extremely unfun to play now. Every. Single. Time. I want to use my power as Nurse I am punished twice over for it. First by the fatigue, which was expected, and then the cooldown period, which is new. It’s made me legitimately not want to blink in games with her because I don’t want to use them and then be stuck in a waiting simulator watching my prey getting away. I played her seriously...3 games, post rework. 4ked all 3. But I remember just being so done with the game by the end of each one because I was just frustrated and not having fun. Fun is more important to me than winning. Had an Ace trolling me today as Trapper. He messed up finally and stepped in a random trap, I mocked him back (spinning camera around) and laughed as he DCed before giving the fourth player the hatch. That was fun. 4king as Nurse is extremely unfun and it’s why I’ve dropped the character.
I know I’m not the only one who feels that way. Multiple people who loved playing Nurse have said more or less this. She has too many glaring weaknesses now that top level nurses can mitigate relatively well, but doing so is stressful and not at all fun. So if 7% of good Nurses dropped her for not having fun anymore, and no one new picked her up, we’d see her kill rate go down about that percent. And that’s more or less what’s happened, or at least it’s what I believe has happened so long as we don’t have updated pick rates for killers. I’m willing to bet Nurse had a pretty hard drop off in pick rate after people saw and tried out the changes, and that explains her new stats.
Viability isn’t where Nurse is hurting. Fun is.
Nurse was further nerfed (blink cooldown timing after attack) after the PTB.
Players played exactly 0 games and provided 0 feedback about the current version of Nurse before she went live - It shows.
She's in an awful spot. She's not fun at all because you get punished constantly for mistakes you didn't make. You're telegraphing where I'm going to land on this blink, so why am I also suffering a cooldown when the survivor reacts accordingly to it? She got nerfed because of how she was affecting high level play but the kit changes didn't seem to consider high level play.
i had fun with nurse, but never enjoyed dealing with nurse because it was broken
and now it feels like akuma or geese in tekken7, still top tier and having different rules ignoring originality of game
She's not fun right now for a few reasons. Barely any lunge is the most frustrating, which is ridiculous with the double cooldown. You BARELY miss a swing, which pisses you off anyway, but then it adds MORE time to the cooldown. It's also too easy to blink to a different level than the one you're on, which infuriates me. The final and most annoying feature is the god forsake autoaim, which targets the nearest pallet/bush/tree/anything but what you're aiming at.
Nurse players spent years at the top of the tier list alone, claiming she was fine balance wise - that survivors just needed to get gud and learn to play against her. Adapt was the word so often used. Just adapt!
Now that it is their turn to adapt they don't like it. "She isn't fun!!" You know what? I only play in red ranks in a region well-known for its amazing nurses. Faced so many of them before our regions were split by the servers. Playing against those nurses was incredibly unfun.
There is a reason why you only see the same names in every thread about nurse. So many people have no sympathy for these nurse mains who aren't having fun anymore. All other killers must play with few to none mistakes at the highest level in order to win. It's absolutely absurd that nurse mains alone expect to be the exception. Now you have to hit your blinks consistently to win. That isn't fun? Oh well. Find another killer. Maybe they'll revisit Nurse down the road if enough people stop playing her, but don't expect any changes any time soon.
Ditto, I was a basekit nurse and dropped her as well despite being able to 4k. The cooldown wasn't the way to go as it made her boring.
If your logic were true, I’d drop the game, not the Nurse. Because all I’d be looking for were the “ez 4k”. That’s not why I play, I play for fun. Nurse is not fun. I have had a much better time on an enjoyment front playing Wraith and Legion, two middle-bottom tiers, than I have on Nurse the last month or so. I do not play for the ez 4k when I play the killer side of DbD. I play to have fun. And honestly, it’s the argument that Nurse mains don’t have a right to complain because she’s still strong that really annoys me...because for us, it’s not about viability as much as fun. And holy hell is it frustrating and painful to play her now.
I’ll add that as a survivor Nurse was always my favorite to go against because I can’t loop and find looping incredibly boring. You can’t loop Nurse, you have to play intelligently. I could run most Nurses long enough they’d give up on me, even if they were downing teammates quickly. It was fun and required a different way to play. Now the very few times I see a Nurse (red ranks btw, if we’re humble bragging) it seems they’re lucky to get much of anything anymore unless they’re godlike with her, and I find her boring to go against because it’s so easy to drop chase.
Blood Lodge is a terrible map for nurse because of its size and long walls
Oh ok I understand. To me, Nurse is still extremely fun, but now I get it. What do you think should be done?
How does it make her boring? You just have to wait 4 seconds after 2 blinks if you spent all charges, and you always have the option to blink with only one
That is very incorrect. It's her best map because it is open! No LOS breaks. BTW, in that video they hardly used dead hard. He could have had a much harder time against that perk, likely only having one hook before all gens were done.