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  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    Merry Christmas to you too!!

    The Competative nature of the game isn't judged by how many people are Competative but how far they can take it. It's judged by how little skill it takes to get defeat someone of hire skill. If this didn't matter, then the Matchmaking from different ranks wouldn't matter, and no one would complain, nor would they have gotten rid of Survivors seeing each other's ranks.

  • SaitamfedSaitamfed Member Posts: 1,454

    DBD is not competitive... "Someone wins and someone loses" that happens in every game, wich means there is competence, but competence doesn't mean competitive.

  • BossBoss Member, Trusted Posts: 13,578

    The fact that you can set up whatever you want in Kill Your Friends shows that this game is at least both.

    You can sweat your way up to rank 1 all you want, or you can just chill on a relaxing sunday with some buds and find out the weirdest Perk combos or whatever.

  • AwakeyAwakey Member Posts: 3,145

    This game is competitive? Funny.

    Wanna see an example of a real competitive game? Overwatch. That's competitive done right.

    This game is nowhere near that. It's like 80/20 in favor of casual.

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    Nah that's when I just want to chill and be casual :}

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    Not in Co-op. In Co-op and PVR everyone wins. Working with each other towards the same goal rather than against, where they compete for victory.

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    It doesn't matter if you believe it is done right or it. What matters is how far you can take it by being Competative. Just because you or anyone else doesn't want to go far is irrelevant. People can and people do. THAT'S what matters.

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    The ranking system is not meaningless. If it was people wouldn't be upset about how broken it is, and getting low ranks that aren't as good. Why are people ignoring this point?

  • TheCrookedManTheCrookedMan Member Posts: 282

    I wish I had seen this post sooner. Because a game can be very competitive doesn't mean it can't be casual either especially with how creative you can get in DBD. It's not like a graph where you get Comp on one side and casual on the other.

  • JC316JC316 Member Posts: 693

    It depends on what your definition of competitive is. My definition of a competitive video game is one that can be played at a professional level and balanced as such. Starcraft or Mortal Kombat for example.

    DBD is competitive among it's player base, but it's not balanced around the top, more around the average gamer.

  • Darth_CaderDarth_Cader Member Posts: 124

    Yes because map/totem/pallet RNG definitely doesn’t literally make or break entire games either for Killers or for Survivors. (Throughout this reply I’m gonna be saying only how it cannot be competitive but just wait towards the end to see how I can kinda share your sentiments).

    Also the fact that some bugs are intentionally left in the game that shouldn’t (like Trapper’s traps clipping under the ground making them impossible to detect) is ridiculous and unprofessional and definitely in itself should make this game impossible to be competitive.

    Also also there’s just the regular gamebreaking bugs and the connection/latency issues that are RNG in their own ways meaning you are hoping you don’t get screwed over by them.

    Also also also, the fact that meta builds don’t matter if you can loop the Killer all game due to aforementioned pallet RNG or map also makes this game impossible to be competitive as skill no longer applies.

    Even so; League of Legends is a shitshow of spaghetti code, broken hitboxes, and gamebreaking unbalanced champions that require no skill whatsoever and can 1v5 the opposing team whilst soloing objectives through sheer force of inflated combat stats (and now thanks to a recent update, gamebreaking objectives now exist too), and yet despite all of this, League is still one of the most competitively played games in the world (if not the most but I’m not sure). So I guess in some ways DBD can be considered competitive because games with similar issues like League are also competitive, but the fact that DBD is actually heavily RNG based can make the fame literally impossible to be competitive sometimes.

  • edgarpoopedgarpoop Member Posts: 5,090

    A lot of people are saying the skill cap is low, which I disagree with. I think the more correct answer is that the necessary skill floor to achieve victory against a similar ranked opponent is too low. A player isn't necessarily bad because they are immediately dropping pallets at red ranks. It just means they probably know the maps are poorly conceived and there are too many safe resources, thus allowing them to win with suboptimal play and no consequences of poor resource management.

  • twistedmonkeytwistedmonkey Member, Trusted Posts: 4,265
    edited December 2019

    The reason it not purley competative and tournaments don't work is the high rng aspect. The game is as competative as the person playing it and why its both competative yet casual.

    Maps can spawn with loops side by side or not, the hatch can spawn at a survivor or at a killer. Doors spawn close or far apart. Add-ons and offerings which can end a game in half the time. The fact that ranking isn't about just doing the main objective but prolonging the game and doing more.

    In a truly competative game it would be balanced on kills and gens without the need for everything else to rank up.

    It why tournaments in dbd have set rules like no mori's or the best toolboxes. Healing a set amount of times or not at all along with no camping/tunnelling.

    When a game has to make so many rules to make a tournament viable and it still comes down to a lot of luck then it can never be 100% competative as its not just skill which dictates the outcome but about how lucky you get with certain things.

  • Mellow7Mellow7 Member Posts: 792

    Any game can be competitive just look at people speed running story games.

  • Hex_KillerMainBTWHex_KillerMainBTW Member Posts: 447

    This game is mostly RNG based. I fail to see how you can have a competitive game that's RNG based... Plus I don't exactly feel that the ranking system is completely accurate, you can just grind hours to get a higher rank and there are many people that don't exactly belong in those ranks.

    I'm talking about the red rank potato survivors and killers. So, again how is this competitive besides the fact there's always a rank system implemented?

  • kcwolf1975kcwolf1975 Member Posts: 631

    You can't really call it competitive when you can't even define winning and losing.

    What makes a killer win, a 4k? Does he lose if he only gets a 3k and someone escapes through the hatch?

    Can a survivor claim victory if they get 0 gens done but get out the hatch with a key?

    There is a LOT of gray area where neither side can claim victory so you can't really call this game competitive.

  • gantesgantes Member Posts: 1,611

    You can't call a game with zero competitive integrity a competitive game.

    Full of RNG, there's no clear win or loss, the ranking system is an absolute joke.

    DBD is MUCH closer to a party game than a competitive game. Calling it competitive is an insult to competitive games as a whole. We can start thinking about it when the randomness is reduced by like 80%,

  • MegHasCuteFeetMegHasCuteFeet Member Posts: 369

    Devs calling it "play for fun" game but never experienced what it is to play Killer at red ranks.

  • MegMain98MegMain98 Member Posts: 2,823

    The game is full of RNG and players who don’t play as often as others. It’s way too wishy washy to be considered a competitive game. Why do people want this game to be competitive?

    It’s not 100% casual but it’s more on the casual side than competitive.

  • yoiyoi Member Posts: 338

    the game is casul a game this unbalanced cant be competitive.

  • HoodiedHoodied Member Posts: 12,600

    This is a casual game my friend, RNG makes the maps either easy or hard. It is only competitive in the higher ranks as people play like its live or die

  • HoodiedHoodied Member Posts: 12,600

    Don’t forget that people speed run cookie clicker....

  • DiamDiam Member Posts: 50

    There are several unbalanced competitive games. That’s your opinion of what competitive means, not what the actual definition is.

  • yoiyoi Member Posts: 338

    is casUUUUUUUl this game will never ever be competitive, dont get me wrong if i hurted the feelings of someone with 7k hours thinking he is the real ######### at the game, is casul is not a competitive game.

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