The biggest reason there is so much outrage is how obviously survivor biased this update is. You can even see the insane bias in how the blog is worded. One of the BENEFITS listed for the new Ruin is that killers need to work harder. I had to do a double take when i read that. Devs, you cant except people to read that and go "No bias on that one :^)"
If there was something to address the reason why its used then there wouldve been less outrage but in addition to the Doc rework it just feels like an obvious "screw you killer, we are making it easier for survivors"
Well as long as your happy. Never mind the people that keep spending their money on this product an what they want. Tho it wouldn't have been a problem if you would have spent some of that money on fixing the reason it's used so much in the first place, but that would have been to logical.
The reason for the outrage isn't the nerf itself. The fact that you don't acknowledge that makes us feel like you're deafened to our opinions.
It's about the fact that you saw something that has been used on a large scale...and instead of asking WHY that is the case...WHY it's being used so heavily....and trying to remedy WHY...you just nerf it into obscurity. That's not how balance works. Then again - at this point, expecting BHVR to know about balance is like expecting an apple to taste like a peach. After all, your history with balance is atrocious. But hey, I guess we should just all go play Civilization.
I don't mean that as disrespect. I'm just telling it like it is. At this point, your studio has made itself into a living meme with a barrage of terrible decisions, and buggy updates over the last 3+ years. People would be more inclined to take you guys at your word more if you proved that you listen equally to both sides.
Very true mostly why I'm mad feels non stop with the nerfs...an sounds have been bugged for killers for over a month
Time for killers to get better at the game? Lol what ? There literally removing the hex SKILL checks for survivors keyword skill so you don't even need to worry about hitting them anymore.. but yea sure killers need to get better the logic on this guy
I think the Doctor nerf was just absolutely hilarious. One of the worst killers this game has to offer, and he gets a nerf because of his "frustrating gameplay to survivors." I was listening to people yapping about it on youtube when driving home from work, and I about died from laughter during my trip home.
It is so baffling and bias it's unbelievable.
they removed the "what" instead of addressing the "why"
Did you expect outrage with how the wording was put in the notes, making it sound Survivor biased?
Not just sounds. Almost every killer has major bugs, and they don't get dealt with, but nerfs for killers can be programed in at Mach 5.
Wraith still gets flashlight burned into his cloaked form instead of uncloaked, so you can be chain burned until their flashlights run out.
Billy still gets Ghost saws.
Hag randomly does 360s like she thinks she is a survivor.
Doctor's shocks are completely inconsistent on when they stop survivors from vaulting/dropping pallets.
Huntress Hitboxes 2020.
Plague can vomit on survivors who do the physical reaction and the coughing, then don't get sickened.
Ghostface can be broken out of stealth around corners and through some walls.
Not to mention just last game, I got stuck in 3 different grab animations as Wraith where I managed to pull someone off a gen, but they walked off while I was stuck in the animation, not only denying the grab, but also not even giving a hit.
And those are just the BUGS. Not the nerfs. Not the things done intentionally to make them weaker. These are the things that aren't supposed to happen. Some of these are absolutely gamebreaking for the killer, but killers are second class, so they don't get fixed.
I have. The healing changes last year. The DS changes too. It is just different because it is killers this time. Seriously, wait to see how it functions.
Your arrogance is going to be the death of this game. I know you're gambling that killers are still going to play, but I don't see it happening. Unless something gets done about the broken maps and gen times, no killer is going to want to play. Can you rebuild your killer base from scratch?
So we really aren’t going to address or even comment on gen speed at ALL? We really aren’t going to look into why ruin had an 80% (80!) pick rate? Honestly this has to be one of the most incompetent, biased development teams I have ever seen in a video game.
Imagine having tons of informed players telling you why this is a poor change -AT THIS TIME- and still thinking you know better. That level of arrogance, ignorance, or whatever we're calling it at this point isn't just astounding, it's a superpower.
Good, cause killers are broken and deserve the nerfs. Every other game killer gets 4 kills, sometimes ends games in 3-5 min. Killers have so many advantages over survivors. Faster MS, blink abilities, gap closers, instant downs. Mori, busted addons that almost guarantee a win. No survivor addon guarantees you a win. Maybe a key is the strongest thing survivors have and you still have to fix 4 gens to even be able to use it.
Tons of passive perks that are extremely strong and "fire and forget" design. Meaning you just slap it on, and get massive use out of them, referring to lot of the Hex perks. That's why Hex: Ruin is getting nerfed.
The only thing that is proven once again:
The DBD Community is the best in crying without testing. Neither of the persons who complain tested the new Ruin and neither of them tested to play with other Perks instead of Ruin.
Quite a shame that the DBD Community is such a whiny mess.
I think the Ruin change is not needed at all, but what happens here at the forums right now is a little too much crying imo. Especially when I read that players want to punish other players with most toxic playstyles for the decision the Devs made. What the hell...?
I'm gonna stop playing for a week or so until they all calmed down a bit or used up their ebony moris. Don't want to deal with these outraged people atm.
I mean, I also have no problem with current Ruin. I guess I will profit, because I cannot sit on a Gen with a Potato anymore who cannot hit Skill Checks (I hit them 9/10, so Ruin did not matter that much for me, but I also have 3K hrs, so I should be able to hit Ruin Skill Checks, lol). But I would not have asked for a change (more like that Hex Totems should be more hidden, but this is nothing that only I would like to have).
But I highly dislike the amount of Threads that is coming up with all this negativity. Most likely because 90% of those players will still continue playing the game and continue playing Killer.
And coming up with toxic playstyles.. Why punishing Survivors for a change they did not ask for? No reason to punish people with Moris, who might not even know that the Forum exist or never interacted with any Social Media Presence of BHVR. And those will most likely be the vast majority of players.
Well... I don't really see a point in buying a skin for a first person killer i won't even see the whole game (if not using a mori). So, yeah...
They changed Ruin because everyone is a god that can pressure 7 gens at once right
I think you guys could reduce a bit the outrage if you tell us your stance on gen speed, if you see there is a problem, if you're working on something etc. Just a little suggestion.
How to decimate killer population 101.
Thanks, Now I can switch side and join the club. I would be happy too now that I can gen rush with ease.
almo i dont know you know this but a really good survivor team can finish a gen in 24 seconds from start of the game because that person didnt have ruin. You want proof? I can link it to you anytime.
Hey don’t worry, only Survivors cry about nerfs.
Nothing's wrong with gen speeds. If you can't keep all the survivors you're not chasing off a gen, can you really call yourself a good killer?
"Just apply pressure 4head"
If you aren't playing a top tier killer, you can be extremely good at killer and be genrushed.
There is no reason to turn this into a killer vs survivor fight.
So if 99% of the community hate the change but there's that 1% who like the change your still going to implement it into the game?
Isn't the whole point of a PTB to test something and if the players don't like it then you won't add it into the game after all? I remember that's what you guys said when the BL changes were announced.
But at this rate what's the point of PTB if your going to keep the changes even if they suck?
Also can you please explain why you keep hiding stuff from us? This is why people are getting angry. You did this with the Freddy addon changes too. If I was a game developer I would never ever do this.
"hey guys here is the doctor rework on the PTB... btw we changed ruin lol"
you should announce drastic changes like this 2 weeks before the PTB not one day before it drops.
You expected it and you ignore it, like all killers opinion and suggestion. We forget that you are siding with survivors. But you do nothing about crazy gen rushing speed. We all realized how BHVR works.
You and all the Dev team are embarassing. Worse company I've ever seen in lots and lots of gaming years.