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What WOULD make you be ok with the ruin rework?

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  • JesyaJesya Member Posts: 1,080

    I never understood why the totem closest to the killer's spawn isn't designated the hex. At least it wouldn't be broken literally 20 seconds after the game starts.

  • SeanzuDuckSeanzuDuck Member Posts: 6,296

    I feel having all these debuffs would almost certainly make it survivors first mission to get rid of and would just make it weaker by increasing the need to remove it.

  • SeanzuDuckSeanzuDuck Member Posts: 6,296

    Because it's very easy to determine where a killer comes from, so if you know there is a hex you know exactly where to look first.

  • Alice_pbgAlice_pbg Member Posts: 4,993

    That would only ensure it's destruction.

    "Killer came from X direction, totem is there"

  • Frank_SrirachaFrank_Sriracha Member Posts: 74

    They need to address both the gen speed and map design. I think giving diminishing returns for more than 2 people on a gen would be a good way to encourage survivors to spread out more and keep gen speeds low. Combine this with a tighter map and time until encountering the other side increases immensely. As it stands now, ruin is the only thing being changed and not addressing gen speed and map design along side the ruin change will make a long of people upset.

  • Alice_pbgAlice_pbg Member Posts: 4,993

    There's already diminishing returns... it's why being separated is already the best strategy.

  • AhoyWolfAhoyWolf Member Posts: 3,109

    Hex: Ruin

    The bonus speed you will get from teammates when working on a gen is significantly reduced, so instead of 44 seconds when 2 Survivors are working on a gen it could be like 60 or 70 seconds, also the effect of the regressing when the Survivors leaves the gen stays like it is in the PTB.

    It could also remove the great skillchecks, but that could be a bit too much since the speed of the gens when you're working with a friend is slowed. :)

  • joker7997joker7997 Member Posts: 899

    How about ruin just makes gen take 20% longer until its busted?

  • HectorBrandoHectorBrando Member Posts: 1,758
    edited January 2020

    I think the way it is now it should be a stealth hex, giving no notification to survivors and trying to be as unnoticeable as possible without the "make the totem unlit" suggestion.

    For example the regresion should only start after X amount of seconds stopping working on the gen so survivors dont tap it for 2 seconds and find ruin at the start, it also should substract X amount of work as starting value to compensate for those seconds ruin wasnt active, if someone starts working again on the gen before X gets substracted it gets added to a pool and it gets substracted once the gen starts regressing (up to a maximum).

    It could also proc more fast checks and less slow checks.

  • Devil_hit11Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 1,294
    edited January 2020

    Add a new perk for totems that removes the risk of using totem perks and make them secondary objectives to the survivor.

    Example:

    "If a lit totem is destroyed and another dull totem is remaining on the map, Apply the destroyed hex on that dull totem in 60/45/30 seconds, This effect persists until no dull totems remain in the trial."

    I am sure people would think to use Hex:Ruin+Surveillance+New perk+Thrill of the hunt to make totems stronger, but realize that killer would be using like 4 perks slots just to make totem perks reliable useful. I mean, if your using all 4 perk slots, you'd think that perks would do something. People don't have to break the totems to win, but if they decide ignore their secondary objective, than killer should be able capitalize. I think it would also allow other totem perks to perhaps get used and maybe new totem perks could be invented like having new totem perk that grants undetectable status for entire match until broken would be an interesting addition to the game.

    One of the fears I have with current change is that a lot of survivors will play in something called Auto pilot mode. They won't really bother to hit great skill checks because they're no longer requires to do so. So what if Great skill checks added more bonus progression like 5% but generator took longer like 100 seconds. In that way, if people play auto-pilot and don't bother to land greats, than it takes longer to do generators and if they do, they get rewarded about same time as it is now so it becomes more of an optional skill.

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  • EsheonEsheon Member Posts: 568

    I posted an idea in another thread, so I'll bring it back here.

    Ruin starts with three tokens. Every time a Survivor is sacrificed, remove one token. 3 tokens equals 300% regression. 2 tokens is 200% regression , 1 is 100%, and at 0 tokens the perk deactivates.

    I know 300% sounds like a lot, but with 4 survivors alive at least one of is them going to stay on a generator until it's completed. If they never leave the generator, ruin doesn't affect them.

  • ASpazNamedSteveASpazNamedSteve Member Posts: 1,783
    • Nerf toolboxes + their addons
    • Balance maps (much quicker than they're currently doing, don't do the visual rework if it means each map takes half a year to do)

    I'm already fine with Ruin being removed (as it currently functions), I just think these things need to happen also.

  • SeanzuDuckSeanzuDuck Member Posts: 6,296

    This would make using any other perk pointless, there would never be any reason not to run if because the game would never speed up until you killed someone, you could if you were a good killer, just toy with survivors, you also have to look at this with pop, 300% gen slow down, you get a hook, and get to regress a generator by 25%

  • SeanzuDuckSeanzuDuck Member Posts: 6,296

    Agreed - I have no issue with gen speed and I don't use ruin, the maps are the largest issue and with smaller maps it helps a lot of the less maneuverable killers

  • Mister_HoldoutMister_Holdout Member Posts: 3,144

    Unless the devs rework all the unfair maps (which won't happen) and address the SWF problem (also won't happen), Ruin should not be touched.

    That's what needs to happen for me to accept the Ruin change.

    But who are we kidding? The devs are just going to push this Ruin change through and that will be it.

  • BiggsBiggs Member Posts: 286

    ok what if each of dull totems will increase penalty for making gen.. it woudlnt be crazy hard, but it would be nice to see people go and remove dull totems and if someone woudlnt want to do it he can be in gen

  • SpyMatureSpyMature Member Posts: 204

    Decrease the regression speed value from 2x to like 0.75x, and remove the HEX part

    Honestly this change is bad for the game overall, because it hurts the low tier killers like Clown and Trapper and actually BUFFS the 3 top tier killers that have tools to apply pressure on the map.

    This just enforces the 3 killer meta and makes playing low tier killers pure suffering.

    Not only will you see the 3 top killers (Nurse, Spirit, Billy) more often, but killers will also start slugging / tunneling more often as well.

  • DreamnomadDreamnomad Member Posts: 2,847

    I strongly believe that there should be a counter snowball mechanic built into the game. By that I mean something that helps the side that is at its weakest. At the start of the game the killer is clearly at it's weakest. That is why ruin was so popular in the first place. It was the one effective tool all killers had access to that would slow the survivors early game.

    What I would like to see is a rule where survivors had a penalty to repairing generators while all 4 survivors are alive and no one is on a hook or in the dying state. And then for survivors to get a repair bonus to generators for each dead survivor. The actual percentages could be play tested to find what is fair to both sides.

  • AneurysmAneurysm Member Posts: 4,078

    One upside about ruin -not- being a hex would be that despite being strong with surveillance it wouldn't work at all with some other good gen slowdown perks i.e. pop goes the weasel

    Some may go for ruin + surveillance, some would combo things like corrupt, pop, discordance instead. So there'd be more variety, which was an issue the devs listed with old ruin.

  • Mr_KMr_K Member Posts: 6,637
    edited January 2020

    A reworked ruin would of been fine as long as the issues behind its use were addressed and no it's not the Gatekeeper Emblem.

  • PennywisePennywise Member Posts: 220

    The problem is gen speed in general. This Ruin rework would be fine if the devs acknowledge gen speed is being looked at as well. I think this has always been the issue.

  • dragobvdragobv Member Posts: 277

    new ruin is fine no changes needed but hey i dont run it so who am i

  • BlackRainbowBlackRainbow Member Posts: 40

    I clearly know that this will have a bad end..

  • EsheonEsheon Member Posts: 568

    Pop doesnt work with Ruin anymore. You can't kick a regressing gen.

    It's not 300% slowdown. A survivor who stays on the gen still finishes it in 80 seconds. If you chase them away and it's 20 seconds before someone goes back on the gen, they make up for that regression in 15 seconds.

    This doesn't even fix the map problem. I had another match yesterday where a gen was finished before I even reached it. I was still a tile away when the gen popped and I saw 3 survivors scatter like cockroaches.

  • bgbombbgbomb Member Posts: 434

    DS SHOULD BE REWORK AGAIN AFTER RUIN REWORK

    Don't get me wrong

    The reason I want DS to be rework

    Not something like "You need to rework another strong perk to be fair" etc.

    But because I think the current DS will amplify the problem of too fast generators.

    why?

    Because after the DS is BUFF (rework), the killer can no longer snowball by getting early kills.

    This will cause 4 survivors to live on the field for a long time

    And this would cause the generator to be repaired too quickly

    And the difficulty of killer exerting pressure


    If you don't believe it

    You can try to think back

    Before DS was BUFF

    Does the killer mostly only take 1 or 2 slowing perks?

    At that time, there were still killer use perks like Spirit Fury + Enduring.

    Or some other fun comble perks.

    After DS was BUFF.

    Is it gradually disappearing?

    Developed to almost 4 speed reduction perks now

    Or 3 slowdowns plus one detection perks

    And these I think are the effects of DS causing the killer to not snowball by early kill.

    Now that RUIN is gone.

    the gen speed issue would only be worse.

    I think it is very necessary to re-examine this perk.

    I know it's not fun to be killed early in the game

    But everything has to be balanced

    It is impossible to make one side completely interesting

    And push the uninteresting things to the other side

    This is not good for the overall development of the game

    And remake DS

    It will not have a big impact on the novice gaming experience that DEV cares about now.

    Because anyway, novices can't press QTE right?

    If not, there is no need to remake RUIN.

    So remake DS

    Maybe changed it to have nothing to do with hitting the killer.

    Can improve the overall environment of the game

    And without affecting the novice gaming experience.


    Please DEV must seriously consider about it.

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